Okay we bring ALPO on board and set first year Capt pay at $150/hr, first year F/O at $50/hr. The paper on a new A-320 is appx. $330000/mo, and being smart VX has been hedging fuel going forward, so let's put it at $5/gal system wide. How do the numbers appear now?

"Never wrestle with a pig, you get dirty and the pig likes it."

But I digress...

So, ALPA is brought on the property to "jack the house" as you say. A fledgling start-up being "jacked-up" with oil where it is. How's that going to work out? As you are presenting it as a workable option, its doomed to fail, so your ultimate premise is a non-starter.

No. ALPA enjoys the fruits of OTHERS labors. Only the legacy carriers at ALPA are "protected" by the "jacked houses" but its important to recruit the underlings to kick in dues to the big ALPA pot.

ALPA is a business. The business is that of collecting dues. The most efficient means to that end is to recruit more subsidiary locals to increase revenue. Now, I have witnessed many safety programs, member-protection programs, and pro-stan benefits, but make no mistake, ALPA's foray into VX, in the short term would be purely economical to the extent of increasing their intake. Should it benefit other ALPA halls by "jacking the house" (to VX's potential demise) that's just gravy.

Lastly, the attitude that precipitates this discussion would not ease with the welcoming of ALPA on the VX property any more than it would raise wages, it would only intensify. No doubt it would change, but the sore would worsen. There wouldn't be a time when Fish writes a check to support a job action at VX.

Its not important for your argument to make financial or logical sense for the VX pilot because that does not further your goal. To that end, what is your motivation? Are you that jaded to believe you can affect change on APC? No, it seems you just relish the spreading of hate and malcontent for sport.

So, its ALPA's way or the highway, is that it? :rolleyes:

Actually, Virgin Atlantic is VS...

That is incorrect, AU. If VX pilots were ALPA, I'd gladly pay assessments to support them.

Farewell Fish. Enjoy your misery.

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