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Originally Posted by aa73
The 737s will replace most of the S80s... but I believe AMR wants to diversify its fleets a little more in case the whole Boeing line ever gets shut down for some reason.
Europe is FAR more likely to see labor disruptions that would "shut down the line" than the US at this point. Besides, Boeing just announced a second 737 line where they can produce something like 50 737s a year...so getting airplanes isn't a problem. If anything, being tail-end charlie on a bunch of NEO orders would put fleet replacement further back. AA is using Airbus to whipsaw Boeing into announcing a new 737 re-engine/replacement aircraft - just like SWA is with talk about the C-Series. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't think Boeing has gotten complacent in the narrowbody market, but rather is trying to get their hands on the 787 outsourcing disaster and remedy it completely before throwing billions into developing a replacement for their biggest selling aircraft. |
AS long as AA buys a 100-seat aircraft and mainline pilots fly it, as opposed to Eagle, it diesn't matter whether its Airbus 318s or B-717s or C-Series.
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Originally Posted by aafurloughee
(Post 1013632)
one things for sure, the management is chomping at the bit to get a contract signed. lot's of rumours as well for expansion. all good stuff if it comes to fruition with a decent contract. time will tell.
I do not expect even a first TA this year. Stop believing all the planted rumors and feel-good BS being planted by the VP of flight. That guy shot every bit of his credibility last winter with the same bull. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1012728)
Or looking at something to eventually replace their old and massive MD80 fleet.
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This thread appears to be more dealing with the question of "why Airbus" more than a scope debate.
Boeing is getting their clock cleaned. Airbus picked up 900+ orders which effectively sells them out through 2018-2019. Boeing's 142 not only sounds bad in comparison, it sounds worse when compared with the 130 ATR's sold! The big lessors are telling Boeing they need a new airplane. Something like this: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT/RT200...0berton-f2.jpg The idea being very low EPR fans with variable nozzles. It will be interesting to learn why airlines like Republic and American have ordered what are essentially competing designs (the A319 / C Series & 737 / A320 ) Delta on the other hand has not ordered anything and now is pretty much locked out. There are no production slots until 2018 anywhere except the C Series. |
with the loads these days, you'd think somebody would get the message that 50 seat RJ's are dead.... time to go back to the 737/A320's that should have originally been flying those routes...
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Originally Posted by CE750
(Post 1013873)
with the loads these days, you'd think somebody would get the message that 50 seat RJ's are dead.... time to go back to the 737/A320's that should have originally been flying those routes...
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 1013712)
It was a great aircraft, but nobody was buying them. If you have a large fleet of 737's why would you buy a single isle 757 that seats about 10 more pax than a 737-900? Boeing's replacement 757 airframe is the 737-900ER which isn't really a replacement.
Airbus has it figured out when it comes to fleet commonality issues for singe isle aircraft. The savings Airbus products can generate in crew training/staffing costs alone is huge. The 321 with sharklets and the NEO will actually be a viable transcon aircraft that performs well which will be a game changer in the narrowbody fleeting of airlines due to the cost savings of fleet commonaltiy. That's why everyone is ordering Airbus products right now IMO. Fair enough. Both companies have their strengths and weaknesses. That said the A321 (NEO or not) and the B739 will never, ever be a B757 replacement. EVER!! I see DL/AA/UA (really CO) in Europe all the time with their 757-200s. The best the A321 NEO could hope for is a Transcon US flight year-round. IMO, Boeing has done with the B737 what Bombardier has done with the CRJ- they've over-stretched. I see a heavy 737-900 going down the runway and I think of an overweight duck waddling over a waterfall desperately trying to get airborne (it's worse than a heavy A-340 and that's pretty bad). I just wish they'd put half as much effort into further improving the 757 as they'd put into the 737. I am sure we'd have a winner on our hands. I agree that Airbus has done well the commonality; it's genius, actually. I've jump-seated on a few 737-NGs and I always look up at the overhead panel and say whiskey tango fox. Additionally, (in my mind) I can still see the round dials behind the LCDs. Arguably, Boeing made a good business decision at the time, pleasing WN. However, it's caused them to fall behind here in the present. |
I seem to recall those who actually have flown the 321 saying it was grossly underwinged...something new engines and sharklets really won't address.
As for Airbus commonality for single-aisle aircraft...didn't eliminating the 757 from production take Boeing to the exact same place? |
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 1013960)
I seem to recall those who actually have flown the 321 saying it was grossly underwinged...something new engines and sharklets really won't address.
As for Airbus commonality for single-aisle aircraft...didn't eliminating the 757 from production take Boeing to the exact same place? Given AB's track record it still won't be enough wing. |
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