Congress: Pass along "savings" to customer
#11
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
Over an extreme period(years) the extra pricing power would allow airlines to lower prices(good for consumers) and grow their product to more people(good for employees and customers). If they dont new entrants would fill the gap. Again good for customers and people without jobs.
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This is a micro example. If the bill is not passed soon the ticket prices will begin to fall. Look at alaska and virgin. The pressure from alaska forced virgin to remove the price increase on routes they compete on. Over time if allowed to continue without taxes the airlines will feel pressure to fill the seats and will begin to lower the prices to compete.
Over an extreme period(years) the extra pricing power would allow airlines to lower prices(good for consumers) and grow thier product to more people(good for employees and customers). If they dont new entrants would fill the gap. Again good for customers and people without jobs.
You can not use 2 days as an example thats is crazy.
Over an extreme period(years) the extra pricing power would allow airlines to lower prices(good for consumers) and grow thier product to more people(good for employees and customers). If they dont new entrants would fill the gap. Again good for customers and people without jobs.
You can not use 2 days as an example thats is crazy.
So its doubly good for airlines. Less taxes and no new competition!
#13
It's a jump in logic to assume that the AATF act of 1970 will cease to exist should should deficit talks continue beyond the Aug. 2 deadline. The history of the congressional appropriations process, and the FAA reauthorization bills specifically, show that taxes have been collected retroactively once approval for the bill have been made.
Here's some fun reading to get you started:
http://www.aviationacrossamerica.org...-_10_06_06.pdf
http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...4Q%2C%3B%3F%0A
http://www.jct.gov/publications.html...3724&no_html=1
http://www.gao.gov/decisions/archive/281779.pdf
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Here's some fun reading to get you started:
http://www.aviationacrossamerica.org...-_10_06_06.pdf
http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...4Q%2C%3B%3F%0A
http://www.jct.gov/publications.html...3724&no_html=1
http://www.gao.gov/decisions/archive/281779.pdf
My name is Herb Kelleher. I co-founded Southwest Airlines in 1967. Because I am unable to perform competently any meaningful function at Southwest, our 25,000 Employees let me be CEO. That is one among many reasons why I love the People of Southwest
#14
Delta making $4 million a day on expired-tax fare hike
By Ben Mutzabaugh, USA TODAY
Delta Air Lines says its decision to offset expired FAA taxes by raising fares has increased revenue by between $4 million and $5 million per day, The Wall Street Journal reports. The newspaper adds: "Delta said it has no plans to change its ticket prices."
"The tax is a tax on passengers," Glen Hauenstein, Delta's Executive Vice President for Network Planning, Revenue Management and Marketing, is quoted as saying by the Journal. "What the industry has done is simply to maintain prices at market-clearing levels."
That revelation came out today during a call to discuss Delta's second-quarter earnings results. The Associated Press reports the carrier's "second-quarter net income fell by 58% compared to a year ago. It earned $198 million, or 23 cents per share, compared with $467 million, or 55 cents a year ago. Fuel costs rose 36% to $2.66 billion in the latest quarter. Revenue rose 12% to $9.15 billion as Delta raised fares to try to pay the increased fuel costs."
Delta's results fell short of Wall Street expectations once special items were excluded.
By Ben Mutzabaugh, USA TODAY
Delta Air Lines says its decision to offset expired FAA taxes by raising fares has increased revenue by between $4 million and $5 million per day, The Wall Street Journal reports. The newspaper adds: "Delta said it has no plans to change its ticket prices."
"The tax is a tax on passengers," Glen Hauenstein, Delta's Executive Vice President for Network Planning, Revenue Management and Marketing, is quoted as saying by the Journal. "What the industry has done is simply to maintain prices at market-clearing levels."
That revelation came out today during a call to discuss Delta's second-quarter earnings results. The Associated Press reports the carrier's "second-quarter net income fell by 58% compared to a year ago. It earned $198 million, or 23 cents per share, compared with $467 million, or 55 cents a year ago. Fuel costs rose 36% to $2.66 billion in the latest quarter. Revenue rose 12% to $9.15 billion as Delta raised fares to try to pay the increased fuel costs."
Delta's results fell short of Wall Street expectations once special items were excluded.
#15
It's a jump in logic to assume that the AATF act of 1970 will cease to exist should should deficit talks continue beyond the Aug. 2 deadline. The history of the congressional appropriations process, and the FAA reauthorization bills specifically, show that taxes have been collected retroactively once approval for the bill have been made.
#16
The media is framing this as greedy airlines pocketing the fees, (and it may turn out that way) although until a ruling is made, it would be wise to have an escrow fund set aside to pay fees.
#17
The politicos have a point; the ATA for *years* has said federal ticket taxes artificially raise fares and dampen demand, and lobbied to have those taxes (which are passed through to passengers) removed. The taxes go away, albeit temporarily, and the airlines raise fares to make up that difference.
Like it or not, these actions do run counter to ATA's arguments regarding ticket taxes and prove that ticket taxes don't impact demand...
That said, dumbass politicians have nobody to blame but themselves for AATF contributions going away (albeit temporarily) and yes, it is political grandstanding at its finest.
Like it or not, these actions do run counter to ATA's arguments regarding ticket taxes and prove that ticket taxes don't impact demand...
That said, dumbass politicians have nobody to blame but themselves for AATF contributions going away (albeit temporarily) and yes, it is political grandstanding at its finest.
Not quite correct:
If the taxes did not exist, there would be more capacity in the system which would drive down prices to maintain similar margins. What the airlines are simply doing is keeping prices at the current point on the supply/demand curve as supply won't be increased due to this temporary event.
#18
Not quite correct:
If the taxes did not exist, there would be more capacity in the system which would drive down prices to maintain similar margins. What the airlines are simply doing is keeping prices at the current point on the supply/demand curve as supply won't be increased due to this temporary event.
If the taxes did not exist, there would be more capacity in the system which would drive down prices to maintain similar margins. What the airlines are simply doing is keeping prices at the current point on the supply/demand curve as supply won't be increased due to this temporary event.
#19
Similar to the bag fees, the first year or two of a new source of income results in a temporary increase in profit margins. Eventually one company realizes it can afford to reduce fares on a given route, then a second company follows and so on. Same thing with these "ex-tax" revenues.
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What is going on in our country? Congress is telling the airlines to be ethical and do the right thing? Same ones who have their own special health insurance and I will have Obama care? Next they will tell corporate executives that they need to stop making all those golden parachutes and gluttonous compensation packages.
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