Thank you FFDOs
09-11-2011, 08:39 AM
#12
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09-11-2011, 09:53 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler
I agree with you, but they, (Flight Crews), were lacking valuable tools and training that would have changed the outcome.
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The FFDO program has many flaws, but it's infinitely better than nothing. I'm hard pressed to imagine a reason NOT to participate in it. As was printed in another post, "Bring a gun to a knife fight". Having a weapon and wishing you didn't have to deal with procedural crap is tolerable. Not having one when someone is pushing past the 90 lb FA and trying to gain access to the cockpit during a bathroom break is not.
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Hats off to the guys who give up some of their valuable personal time to make this industry a little safer. Your volunteerism means something and you should take take a little pride in that, but not too much because that would make you irritating to be around
.Happy Patriot Day!
Last edited by TonyWilliams; 09-11-2011 at 09:44 PM.
09-11-2011, 02:21 PM
#14
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Portable FFDO
I haven't flown a United airplane in 8 years, and I wasn't an FFDO, but wanted to be. After 9/11, I started keeping the crash-axe at my side in my open flight bag. I was inspired by the 777 crew flying from South America when a guy partially broke through the door, and they blunt-sided him with the axe.
Every now and then a Capt would see the empty holder and say "Wha...? Where's the axe?"
Me: "Right here. If someone comes through that door uninvited, the last thing they will see is the blade of this axe in their skull."
Every now and then a Capt would see the empty holder and say "Wha...? Where's the axe?"
Me: "Right here. If someone comes through that door uninvited, the last thing they will see is the blade of this axe in their skull."
09-11-2011, 04:32 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by flyinawa
Sadly, the training they had been provided said, "Terrorists are reasonable so give them what they want and everybody goes home with a wild story to tell their co-workers and grand children". Many very intelligent people knew that wasn't the case and credible intelligence laid all the pieces on the table. Unfortunately (and it pains me terribly to say this) our arrogant notion that those savages would stay in their own playground and would NEVER threaten us at OUR house was proven horribly incorrect.
The FFDO program has many flaws, but it's infinitely better than nothing. I'm hard pressed to imagine a reason NOT to participate in it. As was printed in another post, "Bring a gun to a knife fight". Having a weapon and wishing you didn't have to deal with procedural crap is tolerable. Not having one when someone is pushing past the 90 lb FA and trying to gain access to the cockpit during a bathroom break is not. On that note: [moderator delete]
Hats off to the guys who give up some of their valuable personal time to make this industry a little safer. Your volunteerism means something and you should take take a little pride in that, but not too much because that would make you irritating to be around.
Happy Patriot Day!
The FFDO program has many flaws, but it's infinitely better than nothing. I'm hard pressed to imagine a reason NOT to participate in it. As was printed in another post, "Bring a gun to a knife fight". Having a weapon and wishing you didn't have to deal with procedural crap is tolerable. Not having one when someone is pushing past the 90 lb FA and trying to gain access to the cockpit during a bathroom break is not. On that note: [moderator delete]
Hats off to the guys who give up some of their valuable personal time to make this industry a little safer. Your volunteerism means something and you should take take a little pride in that, but not too much because that would make you irritating to be around
.Happy Patriot Day!
Cheers,
fbh
Last edited by TonyWilliams; 09-11-2011 at 09:45 PM.
09-11-2011, 05:33 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by LineHolder
Has an FFDO ever had to actually prevent an attack?
Or are you implying that a fire extinguisher that has never been discharged is worthless equipment to have on an aircraft?
09-11-2011, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
The fact that no airliner has been taken since 2001 means that the FFDO program has indeed prevented more attacks.
Or are you implying that a fire extinguisher that has never been discharged is worthless equipment to have on an aircraft?
Or are you implying that a fire extinguisher that has never been discharged is worthless equipment to have on an aircraft?
09-11-2011, 07:13 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by LineHolder
Has an FFDO ever had to actually prevent an attack? The only time I remember them making news is when a US Air guy shot a hole through his cockpit!
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