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X Rated 10-13-2011 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 1069182)
How many AA pilots are in the SFO base? Will they migrate to the LAX base? How about BOS and DC? Which base is the most junior at AA?
1) There's about 280 AA pilots based at SFO.

2) Who knows where they'll go....

3) BOS, DC? They'll probably close, too. That'll leave LGA/JFK, MIA, DFW, STL, ORD, and LAX.

shiznit 10-13-2011 07:26 PM
Just because they are closing the pilot domicile doesn't mean that they are cutting routes.

It is one less CPO and staff, and one less set of reserves you have to pay for.....That alone could make it worth the savings, without dropping a single flight. Who really knows, more like a nasty negotiating tactic.

putzin 10-13-2011 07:50 PM
Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1069178)
That thought has crossed my mind.

Richard is ruthless and BA is his archenemy.
Putting a big dent into AA and their portion of OneWorld would definitely hurt BA's Americas operation.
VX put a lot of capacity into AA hubs lately (ORD, DFW)

Its perhaps a little more than just coincidence.
Virgin America does seem to have limitless access to cash

Cheers
George
I will respectfully disagree with this. AA will squash us if and when they take full aim. Their closing of the base is due to retirements. Their flights to DFW and ORD seem to always be pretty full. We have only added a few flts a day to each and they are hardly being bothered by us. We however continue to bleed cash. How much longer will we chug along? I can't imagine very much longer but stranger things have happened.

B757200ER 10-14-2011 06:38 AM
Originally Posted by X Rated (Post 1069274)
1) There's about 280 AA pilots based at SFO.

2) Who knows where they'll go....

3) BOS, DC? They'll probably close, too. That'll leave LGA/JFK, MIA, DFW, STL, ORD, and LAX.
They won't be going to STL; no vacancy sign there. My guess is LAX/MIA/LGA. And many of those senior CAs will not want to commute, so they'll retire instead (with full pensions intact).

surfnski 10-14-2011 08:11 PM
Bummer. SF is a fun city and a great place to live. Sorry to hear that guys. Best of luck in the transition.

plt32173 10-15-2011 07:00 AM
Originally Posted by putzin (Post 1069315)
I will respectfully disagree with this. AA will squash us if and when they take full aim. Their closing of the base is due to retirements. Their flights to DFW and ORD seem to always be pretty full. We have only added a few flts a day to each and they are hardly being bothered by us. We however continue to bleed cash. How much longer will we chug along? I can't imagine very much longer but stranger things have happened.
I wouldnt say bleeding is the right word. When someone is bleeding they try to treat the wound. You guys are building a Sim in SFO, expanding your HQ, and are experiencing some of the most aggressive hiring you ever have. It sounds like your 5 year growth plan attracted enough US investors to keep you alive till then. Id expect you to show 2-3 qtrs of profit next year to set up your IPO.

Golden Bear 10-15-2011 10:18 AM
Originally Posted by plt32173 (Post 1069989)
Id expect you to show 2-3 qtrs of profit next year to set up your IPO.
My wife expected to marry a guy who looked like Brad Pitt.




It didn't happen.

LineHolder 10-15-2011 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 1069207)
An early warning sign to watch for is the establishment of special "bankruptcy-proof" pensions (at DAL they were called SERPs), for senior executives. These are usually touted as "necessary to retain top talent" (who demonstrate their talent by taking the money and vanishing). :rolleyes:
Sounds like a classic case of 'occupy wallstreet' and why people are so mad

Sliceback 10-15-2011 05:52 PM
Originally Posted by B757200ER (Post 1069436)
They won't be going to STL; no vacancy sign there. My guess is LAX/MIA/LGA. And many of those senior CAs will not want to commute, so they'll retire instead (with full pensions intact).
Senior Captains? There two A scalers in SFO, and one of them is the Chief Pilot.

Bocaflyer 10-17-2011 06:09 AM
Originally Posted by plt32173 (Post 1069989)
I wouldnt say bleeding is the right word. When someone is bleeding they try to treat the wound. You guys are building a Sim in SFO, expanding your HQ, and are experiencing some of the most aggressive hiring you ever have. It sounds like your 5 year growth plan attracted enough US investors to keep you alive till then. Id expect you to show 2-3 qtrs of profit next year to set up your IPO.
I think they already are profitable, just showing loses to not pay taxes. I can't see how an airline with load factors above industry avg and a fairly competitive CASM and RASM could be losing money. I definitely agree they are setting up for an IPO, and they will magically start showing record profits next year to attract more interest. Of course we can all speculate to death, only time will tell the truth.

I'm surprised to see the AA SFO closure considering they just got their new digs in T2. Maybe it really has nothing to do with capacity into SFO, I don't imagine they will reduce flying and hand over their brand new gates to VX after waiting so long for them. This industry is a soap opera!


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