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Old 10-13-2011 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
How many AA pilots are in the SFO base? Will they migrate to the LAX base? How about BOS and DC? Which base is the most junior at AA?
1) There's about 280 AA pilots based at SFO.

2) Who knows where they'll go....

3) BOS, DC? They'll probably close, too. That'll leave LGA/JFK, MIA, DFW, STL, ORD, and LAX.
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Old 10-13-2011 | 07:26 PM
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Just because they are closing the pilot domicile doesn't mean that they are cutting routes.

It is one less CPO and staff, and one less set of reserves you have to pay for.....That alone could make it worth the savings, without dropping a single flight. Who really knows, more like a nasty negotiating tactic.
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Old 10-13-2011 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
That thought has crossed my mind.

Richard is ruthless and BA is his archenemy.
Putting a big dent into AA and their portion of OneWorld would definitely hurt BA's Americas operation.
VX put a lot of capacity into AA hubs lately (ORD, DFW)

Its perhaps a little more than just coincidence.
Virgin America does seem to have limitless access to cash

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I will respectfully disagree with this. AA will squash us if and when they take full aim. Their closing of the base is due to retirements. Their flights to DFW and ORD seem to always be pretty full. We have only added a few flts a day to each and they are hardly being bothered by us. We however continue to bleed cash. How much longer will we chug along? I can't imagine very much longer but stranger things have happened.
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Old 10-14-2011 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by X Rated
1) There's about 280 AA pilots based at SFO.

2) Who knows where they'll go....

3) BOS, DC? They'll probably close, too. That'll leave LGA/JFK, MIA, DFW, STL, ORD, and LAX.
They won't be going to STL; no vacancy sign there. My guess is LAX/MIA/LGA. And many of those senior CAs will not want to commute, so they'll retire instead (with full pensions intact).
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Old 10-14-2011 | 08:11 PM
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Bummer. SF is a fun city and a great place to live. Sorry to hear that guys. Best of luck in the transition.
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Old 10-15-2011 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by putzin
I will respectfully disagree with this. AA will squash us if and when they take full aim. Their closing of the base is due to retirements. Their flights to DFW and ORD seem to always be pretty full. We have only added a few flts a day to each and they are hardly being bothered by us. We however continue to bleed cash. How much longer will we chug along? I can't imagine very much longer but stranger things have happened.
I wouldnt say bleeding is the right word. When someone is bleeding they try to treat the wound. You guys are building a Sim in SFO, expanding your HQ, and are experiencing some of the most aggressive hiring you ever have. It sounds like your 5 year growth plan attracted enough US investors to keep you alive till then. Id expect you to show 2-3 qtrs of profit next year to set up your IPO.
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Old 10-15-2011 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by plt32173
Id expect you to show 2-3 qtrs of profit next year to set up your IPO.
My wife expected to marry a guy who looked like Brad Pitt.




It didn't happen.
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Old 10-15-2011 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
An early warning sign to watch for is the establishment of special "bankruptcy-proof" pensions (at DAL they were called SERPs), for senior executives. These are usually touted as "necessary to retain top talent" (who demonstrate their talent by taking the money and vanishing).
Sounds like a classic case of 'occupy wallstreet' and why people are so mad
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Old 10-15-2011 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by B757200ER
They won't be going to STL; no vacancy sign there. My guess is LAX/MIA/LGA. And many of those senior CAs will not want to commute, so they'll retire instead (with full pensions intact).
Senior Captains? There two A scalers in SFO, and one of them is the Chief Pilot.
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Old 10-17-2011 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by plt32173
I wouldnt say bleeding is the right word. When someone is bleeding they try to treat the wound. You guys are building a Sim in SFO, expanding your HQ, and are experiencing some of the most aggressive hiring you ever have. It sounds like your 5 year growth plan attracted enough US investors to keep you alive till then. Id expect you to show 2-3 qtrs of profit next year to set up your IPO.
I think they already are profitable, just showing loses to not pay taxes. I can't see how an airline with load factors above industry avg and a fairly competitive CASM and RASM could be losing money. I definitely agree they are setting up for an IPO, and they will magically start showing record profits next year to attract more interest. Of course we can all speculate to death, only time will tell the truth.

I'm surprised to see the AA SFO closure considering they just got their new digs in T2. Maybe it really has nothing to do with capacity into SFO, I don't imagine they will reduce flying and hand over their brand new gates to VX after waiting so long for them. This industry is a soap opera!
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