C Series Update, it is the price
04-20-2012 | 04:32 AM
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I hate to bust your bubble u na sayers but, I have a buddy that works up there as an IT admin and has access to all company files. Sorry but a major order has been placed pending an outcome in BK and also another pending a scope relaxation. U guys can add the names I think there obvious. Oh, also this is only internal info not released to the public yet. This fight has been lost. They are investing billions in North American, Europe. And asia just look at the factories there building u really think they just plan to sell in Asia and Europe. Airline CEO's are thinking 10 years ahead when they get up every morning, most of us think today. That's why we will never understand this industry
There's no such thing as an IT guy at an airline.
04-20-2012 | 05:16 AM
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I hate to bust your bubble u na sayers but, I have a buddy that works up there as an IT admin and has access to all company files. Sorry but a major order has been placed pending an outcome in BK and also another pending a scope relaxation. U guys can add the names I think there obvious. Oh, also this is only internal info not released to the public yet. This fight has been lost. They are investing billions in North American, Europe. And asia just look at the factories there building u really think they just plan to sell in Asia and Europe. Airline CEO's are thinking 10 years ahead when they get up every morning, most of us think today. That's why we will never understand this industry
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04-20-2012 | 05:35 AM
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IT people can be an excellent source (point being, never write anything over a Company E-mail that you would not want your boss to read, because he probably will if it is interesting enough). However most airlines are much tighter over IT Admin than other businesses, which seems unlikely, but is true.
There is NO DOUBT Bombardier's sales across their entire current product range are scope constrained. Even Republic's Brian Bedford has been dithering as Frontier's use of the airplane is uncertain.
It is worth observing the C Series has not sold outside scope constrained markets either. Sailing's posts are probably correct and I think the lack of discounts and incentives are making the airplane uncompetitive in today's market.
There is NO DOUBT Bombardier's sales across their entire current product range are scope constrained. Even Republic's Brian Bedford has been dithering as Frontier's use of the airplane is uncertain.
It is worth observing the C Series has not sold outside scope constrained markets either. Sailing's posts are probably correct and I think the lack of discounts and incentives are making the airplane uncompetitive in today's market.
04-20-2012 | 05:35 AM
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I hate to bust your bubble u na sayers but, I have a buddy that works up there as an IT admin and has access to all company files. Sorry but a major order has been placed pending an outcome in BK and also another pending a scope relaxation. U guys can add the names I think there obvious. Oh, also this is only internal info not released to the public yet. This fight has been lost. They are investing billions in North American, Europe. And asia just look at the factories there building u really think they just plan to sell in Asia and Europe. Airline CEO's are thinking 10 years ahead when they get up every morning, most of us think today. That's why we will never understand this industry
Should've taken the PIG offer imho, good luck
04-20-2012 | 07:15 AM
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Don't know you, but your's sure is a rude post.
The C Series is interesting because it is the first new "mainline" narrow body Type since the 1970's. It is interesting because of its application of new engine technology and it falls very close to current scope limitations.
As for being an airplane nerd, guilty as charged. Been this way since age two.
04-20-2012 | 07:26 AM
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IT people can be an excellent source (point being, never write anything over a Company E-mail that you would not want your boss to read, because he probably will if it is interesting enough). However most airlines are much tighter over IT Admin than other businesses, which seems unlikely, but is true.
There is NO DOUBT Bombardier's sales across their entire current product range are scope constrained. Even Republic's Brian Bedford has been dithering as Frontier's use of the airplane is uncertain.
It is worth observing the C Series has not sold outside scope constrained markets either. Sailing's posts are probably correct and I think the lack of discounts and incentives are making the airplane uncompetitive in today's market.
There is NO DOUBT Bombardier's sales across their entire current product range are scope constrained. Even Republic's Brian Bedford has been dithering as Frontier's use of the airplane is uncertain.
It is worth observing the C Series has not sold outside scope constrained markets either. Sailing's posts are probably correct and I think the lack of discounts and incentives are making the airplane uncompetitive in today's market.
I agree with this. They need to reduce the price to get orders.
04-20-2012 | 07:32 AM
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You are clueless....as I read all these posts I find that you guys are in love with the idea of a jet...typical rj driver response!
Why would Delta, US Air, United and soon in the future American, all operates of a 319 and soon to operate 319 NEO's which have a 16% to 19% lower fuel burn than the current 319 want a new launch C series aircraft??? No commonality in parts, different type rating, new launch problems all new aircraft have????WHY????
Answer is ....They don't!!!!! None are looking at it and none are going to buy it....Period!!!
Airbus and Boeing have won! The C series and 319 NEO do the same mission at the same cost...CASM!!!! except the 319 has 95%+ parts commonality same type rating and all of these airline already have a business relationship with airbus
Why would you introduce a different type when you already have or will have a 319 and soon a 319 NEO in the fleet????WHY????
Why would Delta, US Air, United and soon in the future American, all operates of a 319 and soon to operate 319 NEO's which have a 16% to 19% lower fuel burn than the current 319 want a new launch C series aircraft??? No commonality in parts, different type rating, new launch problems all new aircraft have????WHY????
Answer is ....They don't!!!!! None are looking at it and none are going to buy it....Period!!!
Airbus and Boeing have won! The C series and 319 NEO do the same mission at the same cost...CASM!!!! except the 319 has 95%+ parts commonality same type rating and all of these airline already have a business relationship with airbus
Why would you introduce a different type when you already have or will have a 319 and soon a 319 NEO in the fleet????WHY????
My wife agrees with you!
In reality not really. Its a great jet that is a game changer on the bottom end of the mainline market. Looking 5-15 years out, if the major manufactures do not enter this market, this airplane will have a place at many carriers.
Like I said, as soon as the first NA major orders it, the rest will follow suit. On the heals of Bar's comments, it is close to the scope limits and as soon as a major purchases it or one sells it to its outsourced feed (doubt that will happen) their order book gets bigger.
CASM is important no doubt, but so is total hourly cost of operation. The 744 has one of the lowest CASM's but you do not fly it on routes where you cannot fill us the seats at a profitable price. The same logic works with a 120 seat versus a 100 seat jet. There is a market below 120 seats, the question is who will fly it. Once that is resolved the orders will start.
04-20-2012 | 07:42 AM
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I hate to bust your bubble u na sayers but, I have a buddy that works up there as an IT admin and has access to all company files. Sorry but a major order has been placed pending an outcome in BK and also another pending a scope relaxation. U guys can add the names I think there obvious. Oh, also this is only internal info not released to the public yet. This fight has been lost. They are investing billions in North American, Europe. And asia just look at the factories there building u really think they just plan to sell in Asia and Europe. Airline CEO's are thinking 10 years ahead when they get up every morning, most of us think today. That's why we will never understand this industry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ
08-19-2012 | 11:52 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Wonder what they'll do with the mock up? Couple of slides, a rock wall and a tire swing and I'd be proud to have this tree house in my back yard.
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