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Old 04-20-2012 | 11:03 AM
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Why would APA just roll over on scope like that?
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Old 04-20-2012 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FlySlow
RUMOR only: Got this info...again...not official:

US Air offer:


DAL + 3% DOS (Date of Signing)
2 Years completed....DAL equal (Delta pilots in negotiations now)
5 Years completed...DAL/UAL average
10% B fund
4% 401K
A fund frozen
7 year fence
Scope: for every 2, 88 seaters, 1 mainline jet
E190 = Jetblue rates
A319 now MD80/737 bucket
I sure hope they don't allow Pandora's box to open. 88 seaters would be a disaster for our careers. Each contract management get bigger jets at regionals. It's rediculous to even entertain such a proposal.
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Old 04-20-2012 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lolwut
Heres what the FAs got.... anyone have somehing similiar for the pilots?


Bridge Term Sheet Highlights

...if an agreement cannot be reached within 60 days of the certification the matter will be submitted to final binding arbitration...

Probably best not to use these words when discussing merger terms with the East pilots of US Airways and the association leadership at USAPA.

They still have difficulty understanding what "final binding arbitration" means in creating the SLI from the previous merger.
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Old 04-20-2012 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by porpilot
I sure hope they don't allow Pandora's box to open. 88 seaters would be a disaster for our careers. Each contract management get bigger jets at regionals. It's rediculous to even entertain such a proposal.
I'm fairly certain CRJ900's configured to 90 seats are already allowed under UsAir scope. 93 CRJ900's to be exact.
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Old 04-20-2012 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by trent890
Probably best not to use these words when discussing merger terms with the East pilots of US Airways and the association leadership at USAPA.

They still have difficulty understanding what "final binding arbitration" means in creating the SLI from the previous merger.

As an aside, are we still ALPA?
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Old 04-20-2012 | 06:09 PM
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US Airways scope currently allows
175 aircraft in 50 seats or less,
212 aircraft with 51 - 70 seats,
153 aircraft with greater than 71 seats.
US Airways can have 540 regional aircraft and American has 255 aircraft (included are AE and Connection). There are already 795 aircraft allowed.
If Parker exercises the options of AA, there are over 460 new aircraft coming from the AA side not counting the 787 and 777 still on order.
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Old 04-20-2012 | 06:17 PM
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Here is the latest: (more should be known Sat. 21, USAPA has a conf call at 10am, more details should be out at that time).

(This is still not official):

Notes from APA meeting:

1. Deal should be finished by end of summer
2. Expedited arbitration for seniority (DAL/NWA percentile)
3. Medical costs go from 14% to 17%
4. 787 orders will remain
5. 319 orders to be converted to 320/321
6. Keep current duty rigs
7. A Plan frozen. B Plan will be 14% to 401K
8. Stay with One World. Leave Star Alliance
9. Name remains AA
10. HQ is DFW not PHX
11. Pay is 5% raise on date of signing. 3% from 2 to 6 years, than average of
UAL/DAL 319 pay rates.
12. Vacation to 3+40 per day
13. East Pilots will eventually get between 25% to 30% pay raise, but no timeline given
14. Get rid of 50 seat aircraft.
15. Scope is reduced
16. Keep AA's Boeing/Airbus order. No word on A350 or US Airways orders
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Old 04-20-2012 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I'm fairly certain CRJ900's configured to 90 seats are already allowed under UsAir scope. 93 CRJ900's to be exact.
USA currently has 86 seats on some of the RJs
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Old 04-20-2012 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by redship
USA currently has 86 seats on some of the RJs
But those are flown by mainline, correct?
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Old 04-20-2012 | 08:17 PM
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no just E190
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