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DLpilot 05-28-2012 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1199731)
Good question. I think we negotiate for tighter ratios again. Let them all be 76- seaters, but cap DCI at 350. Tighten mid and large-gauge Scope further. Require yet more mainline orders for the last 25-seaters. I think by then, the regionals are really hurting for pilots, and can't staff additional aircraft.
An all 76 seater DCI. Wow. Never thought it would go far. Regionals sure have come along way from 19 seat turboprops. We keep chopping off the wrong end.

hockeypilot44 05-28-2012 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1199731)
Good question. I think we negotiate for tighter ratios again. Let them all be 76- seaters, but cap DCI at 350. Tighten mid and large-gauge Scope further. Require yet more mainline orders for the last 25-seaters. I think by then, the regionals are possibly really hurting for pilots, and can't staff additional aircraft. By then, engine technology restrictions in this TA also make 76-seaters less relevant.
Where are the engine technology restrictions? I can't find them.

horrido27 05-28-2012 06:35 PM
Sink r8
Are you a Professional Pilot/Mainline Pilot?
Or did you just spend a night in a Holiday Inn Express lately?

Seriously, always amazes me when someone backs up my claim that every pilot group has about 5-10% Idiots, Nut Jobs and Scabs/Scab wannabees.

Motch

KC10 FATboy 05-28-2012 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1199625)
Stupid question from the bottom of the seniority list ...

We just announced a 5% pullback in flying starting after this summer. 5% of 12000 is 600 pilots. And if this TA passes, it seems to me like DAL will need less pilots due to increased reserve rules.

How do the new work rules fit into all of this?

Any chance of the dreaded F-word happening?
Repost. :)

Anyone have the answers or forecast?

vprMatrix 05-28-2012 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1199731)
Good question. I think we negotiate for tighter ratios again. Let them all be 76- seaters, but cap DCI at 350. Tighten mid and large-gauge Scope further. Require yet more mainline orders for the last 25-seaters. I think by then, the regionals are possibly really hurting for pilots, and can't staff additional aircraft. By then, engine technology restrictions in this TA also make 76-seaters less relevant.
Unbelievable :mad: if you buy us a newish shinny jet well let you have even more job replacement aircraft.

johnso29 05-28-2012 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1199747)
Repost. :)

Anyone have the answers or forecast?
Highly unlikely, especially if this TA passes. It provides furlough protection for all pilots on the list at DOS. If they furlough, they must physically remove 6 seats from every 76 seater and must operate them that way until the most junior pilot is recalled. They may also not use force majeure to get out of this. There are several more layers of improved furlough protection in this TA. I encourage you to read the latest Negotiators Notepad covering Sec 1 of the TA.

Ralphie 05-28-2012 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1199747)
Repost. :)

Anyone have the answers or forecast?
No answer, but have you heard anyone from the union or company say that this TA meant hiring? Has SD said it? Don't think so. They've called it growth, but there are many kinds of growth. You'd think if they thought it would generate hiring that they'd be beating that drum, but all I see are a lot of pretty graphs in the Negotiators' Notepads, none of which relate to job growth.

johnso29 05-28-2012 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by vprMatrix (Post 1199749)
Unbelievable :mad: if you buy us a newish shinny jet well let you have even more job replacement aircraft.
I think you simply have a different interpretation of the proposed scope. Some will view it as tightening scope. Others will view it as loosening scope. Vote as you feel appropriate.

80ktsClamp 05-28-2012 07:00 PM
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1199738)
Where are the engine technology restrictions? I can't find them.
It used to only say turbojet aircraft, now there is no distinction made for propulsion in the scope section. I.E. they can just go out and buy an unlimited number of Q400s or the like as they can in our current contract. A more pressing issue was making sure geared turbofans are included, and they were.

80ktsClamp 05-28-2012 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1199752)
Highly unlikely, especially if this TA passes. It provides furlough protection for all pilots on the list at DOS. If they furlough, they must physically remove 6 seats from every 76 seater and must operate them that way until the most junior pilot is recalled. They may also not use force majeure to get out of this. There are several more layers of improved furlough protection in this TA. I encourage you to read the latest Negotiators Notepad covering Sec 1 of the TA.
Yep, it is quite obvious the company plans on no furloughs for the next few years at least.

The 76 seaters having 6 seats pulled out has no exceptions.... any person hitting the street for force manure or whatever requires those 6 seats to be pulled out.


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