Frank-

I think your numbers on the pay increase are a bit overly optimistic, particularly including sick time and best case scenario on ALV increases on reserve.

Good analysis, though. We need to have good back and forth on here.

Okay. Thanks for the clarification. They will be able to have 325 geared turbo-fans with 70-76 seats. Got it. I was under a false impression that any geared turbo-fan would have to be flown at mainline. I could not find it in the TA. The reason is because it does not exist.

I have not been reading the forums over the holiday weekend but would like to through something into the pot. In my extended family, I have some people on the management side of labor, big business and not applebees. I showed them parts of the TA and the change from our old contract. They laughed at how little we receive with the leverage we had. They had been casually reading about the Delta news for awhile, because I am a pilot with Delta.

Before all of the YES voters go running to the polls. Talk to people who are not in aviation, both in management and labor. They will give you the correct reality check. Management wins BIG with this one and we, as Mongo would say,” are just pawns in where choo choo go”

Frank,

Thanks for taking the time to put your analysis in writing. I've been trying to stay open but I have to agree with seamonster. This TA is a win for DAL management and while I like some of the improvements, it's obvious the agreement was negotiated from a servile perspective. We just don't think we're worthy of anything more.

I also like to see a good back and forth and hope that we can keep it civil. I'm one of the guys that cares mainly for scope. I think we gave away too much with almost no return.

No. Geared turbo fans may NOT be flown anywhere but mainline.

FB, to try and answer your question........ a 5% wont cause (IMO) any furloughs. Too expensive for the company. BUT, the ALV will surely drop. Less flying, less hours, less $ in our pockets.

And if this TA passes (god forbid), the company must give a minimum of 90 days notice. I dont think DAL will furlough someone in Jan, and bring them back on in Apr.

Again, just my opinion.

Frank

Very good post. My reason for voting no is because of the above statement. If after massive pilot concessions over the last decade coupled with massive company profits, when are we going to draw the line in regards to scope? I see the 717's as largely replacement aircraft that the company needed to get anyway. My guess is that the next TA will volunteer to park all 50 seaters in exchange for 450 70/76 seat RJ's.

Once again, well thought out post.

Where is that written? I can't find it.

That is not in the TA Johnso. The TA is what matters, not what ALPA tells you.

I hope you continue to post. I welcome all opinions.
Just be careful not to leave the impression that you are a Delta pilot when commenting on our TA.
Just say you're not DL and there is no problem.

As far as the name calling --

tsquare is a highly valued contributor here. But you have to understand tsquare's style.
His rebuttals tend to be somewhat more, let's just say "personal", than the typical webforum debater. He takes no prisoners. Every forum needs guys like that. Keeps it more interesting.

Here's what I think -
His tone may appear to be overly harsh at times but I think that's just an internet persona. Secretly he probably has a beautiful flower garden, enjoys poetry and long walks on the beach at sunset. :D

But whatever you do, don't mention Lane Kiffin.