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flyingdaddy810 05-29-2012 07:14 AM

I'm Voting for the TA
 
Yeah, all pilots that I have spoken with, as well as myself were hoping for a bigger pay raise. However, going after more money right now may result in giving up money while waiting around for an agreement for more money...now, does that make sense?. It would be stupid to throw the TA back into the negotiating pot and risk giving up some of the gains (early- out, retirement, scope, mainline positions, etc.), which may or may not be resolved at some indefinite time in the future...maybe years, for what gain? 3%-5% maybe 8% more pay?

This TA is a few steps in the right direction. It is something positive we can benefit from now and build on for the next contract. Like: inclusion of all 76 seaters into the mainline contract!!


Of course, those people that are negative are always louder than those that are positive. It’s human nature to be a skeptical, negative #$@#$%^&!! Maybe I could share with our pilots that My brother-in-law at American, and my friends down in PHX and CLT at USairways would give their eye teeth to get a contract equal to this Delta TA.

I think the MEC did the right thing sending the TA out for a vote. I hope we don't waste the opportunity to ratify this TA.

Delta MSP320CA

Bluto 05-29-2012 07:21 AM

Candid. First post, though? I don't doubt that you may, in fact, be a MSP 320A, but I hope you'll excuse a little healthy skepticism.

flyingdaddy810 05-29-2012 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Bluto (Post 1200019)
Candid. First post, though? I don't doubt that you may, in fact, be a MSP 320A, but I hope you'll excuse a little healthy skepticism.

Healthy skepticism is fine. Unhealthy skepticism is not fine.

gloopy 05-29-2012 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by flyingdaddy810 (Post 1200012)
This TA is a few steps in the right direction. It is something positive we can benefit from now and build on for the next contract. Like: inclusion of all 76 seaters into the mainline contract!!

Wow. Really? So we give up 70 additional 90 seaters, which will promptly be ensconced in long term iron clad DCI contracts and leases to the lowest bidder, and we just get all that back how exactly?

We lose even more leverage by outsourcing large RJ's and then we just hope to get all that lost leverage back with what, the leverage we lost giving it up in the first place?

The same logic pushing for this TA will be the same logic pushing for even more 90 seaters in 2015 in exchange for something else. Best case maybe fewer aging 70 seaters (you know, the grandfathered 102) in another exchange. But if we ratify this TA, C2015 won't see a decrease in 90 seaters and will more likely see them increase yet again.

Bluto 05-29-2012 07:47 AM

Also, growing the >70-seat fleet at DCI is a good step towards getting the 76-seaters at mainline? Uh, I can only call that theory 'interesting'. If anything I see this TA as the final nail in the coffin of recapturing that flying. What am I missing?

Elvis90 05-29-2012 07:51 AM

Steve Dickson stated that the 717 purchase will offset the flying done by the loss of 50-seaters. The same can hold true for additional 76-seaters...leave the current cap at 255 and gets additional lift through, say, A319's. We don't need any more DCI.

Elvis90 05-29-2012 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by flyingdaddy810 (Post 1200012)
Yeah, all pilots that I have spoken with, as well as myself were hoping for a bigger pay raise. However, going after more money right now may result in giving up money while waiting around for an agreement for more money...now, does that make sense?. It would be stupid to throw the TA back into the negotiating pot and risk giving up some of the gains (early- out, retirement, scope, mainline positions, etc.), which may or may not be resolved at some indefinite time in the future...maybe years, for what gain? 3%-5% maybe 8% more pay?

This TA is a few steps in the right direction. It is something positive we can benefit from now and build on for the next contract. Like: inclusion of all 76 seaters into the mainline contract!!


Of course, those people that are negative are always louder than those that are positive. It’s human nature to be a skeptical, negative #$@#$%^&!! Maybe I could share with our pilots that My brother-in-law at American, and my friends down in PHX and CLT at USairways would give their eye teeth to get a contract equal to this Delta TA.

I think the MEC did the right thing sending the TA out for a vote. I hope we don't waste the opportunity to ratify this TA.

Delta MSP320CA

You are not indicative of the MSP A320 Captains that I have flown with this last year, nor the MSP M88 Captains I currently fly with.

"We'll get em' next time" is a hackneyed cliche. I prefer to use our current leverage now.

boog123 05-29-2012 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by flyingdaddy810 (Post 1200012)
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This TA is a few steps in the right direction. It is something positive we can benefit from now and build on for the next contract. Like: inclusion of all 76 seaters into the mainline contract!!


Delta MSP320CA

Fight to live another day. love it!

gloopy 05-29-2012 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1200057)
Fight to live another day. love it!

We'll get em next time!

I mean omg, srsly? Rly?

Bluto 05-29-2012 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by flyingdaddy810 (Post 1200026)
Healthy skepticism is fine. Unhealthy skepticism is not fine.

I mean skepticism regarding your motives. Considering the timing and the sales-pitching going on, there are plenty of people interested in swaying this vote. Considering your rationale for voting yes, I have to assume you are who you say are, only because a management or union flunkie would have a better thought out defense for their position. No offense.


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