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Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1201014)

great. so the 90 will still make less than the 320, which carries fewer pax.

still a "no" from me.

Kind of like the B744 carries more than the B777 but pays the same...Just sayin.

Looking like a no vote from me....scope language has gaps you taxi an A380 through.

I'm curious what happens if we actually hold the line on scope. These 76 seat jets have already been ordered and our scope is already capped out.

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1201084)

I'm curious what happens if we actually hold the line on scope. These 76 seat jets have already been ordered and our scope is already capped out.

Hock,

where did you see that these jets were already ordered? I bet the wheels are in place but do you have facts? Just trying to keep facts facts and hunches hunches. No flame or disrespect. edumacate me...

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1201084)

These 76 seat jets have already been ordered and our scope is already capped out.

If so...now THERE'S some leverage!

But I'm sure DALPA can find a way to squander it...again. :(

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1201084)

I'm curious what happens if we actually hold the line on scope. These 76 seat jets have already been ordered and our scope is already capped out.

Delta would likely Pinnaclize its DCI partners to gain contract flexibility on the 50 seaters. Mainline would be forced to order more narrowbody aircraft to cover that flying reduction. Contract negotiations would likely stall since management didn't get what it wanted.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1201176)

. Contract negotiations would likely stall since management didn't get what it wanted.

They would not stall simply out of spite--very short-sighted and frankly, a poor business decision.

Their obligation is to the shareholders, etc. To slow-roll us at the expense of their fiduciary duty to increase value would open them up to liability issues.

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Originally Posted by More Bacon (Post 1201216)

True, but that's usually how negotiations go; If one side won't budge on an issue it stalls out the process. That's assuming management wants scope relief and considers it a must have item.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1201289)

True, but that's usually how negotiations go; If one side won't budge on an issue it stalls out the process. That's assuming management wants scope relief and considers it a must have item.

Then let them stall--they are at their hard cap right now...and since we (supposedly) won't be getting the 717 planes when the TA fails , they can't increase DCI at 3-1.

It's evident management needs this deal done now far more than we do. It can be done sooner than later, but they will need to sweeten the pot.

Voting this thing down will also provide the intangible (but nevertheless valuable) lesson to management that we won't be steamrolled now or in the future.

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Originally Posted by flyingdaddy810 (Post 1200012)

Yeah, all pilots that I have spoken with, as well as myself were hoping for a bigger pay raise. However, going after more money right now may result in giving up money while waiting around for an agreement for more money...now, does that make sense?. It would be stupid to throw the TA back into the negotiating pot and risk giving up some of the gains (early- out, retirement, scope, mainline positions, etc.), which may or may not be resolved at some indefinite time in the future...maybe years, for what gain? 3%-5% maybe 8% more pay?

This TA is a few steps in the right direction. It is something positive we can benefit from now and build on for the next contract. Like: inclusion of all 76 seaters into the mainline contract!!

Of course, those people that are negative are always louder than those that are positive. It’s human nature to be a skeptical, negative #$@#$%^&!! Maybe I could share with our pilots that My brother-in-law at American, and my friends down in PHX and CLT at USairways would give their eye teeth to get a contract equal to this Delta TA.

I think the MEC did the right thing sending the TA out for a vote. I hope we don't waste the opportunity to ratify this TA.

Delta MSP320CA

What I've bolded above is the reason I'm skeptical that you're actually a pilot and probably a cubicle resident. You think the MEC did the right thing? There was no choice by the MEC except to put it the TA out to MEMRAT. There's no airline pilot that doesn't know that.

Carl

Carl - vinegar vs honey. If he's really a cubicle resident there's no chance of convincing him, but also no need to convince him, so why bother responding at all? If he's really a line pilot, though (more likely IMHO), he's one of the guys you need to convince to come to your side, and an attack probably isn't the best way to start out. :)