Originally Posted by ReasonableMan (Post 1203901)

I think it's just plain dumb to turn down the offer to have a share in the wealth of the company based on a principle that has failed every other pilot group before us. What makes us so different? I want to learn from the mistakes of others and not KNOWINGLY leave money on the table like we did during the JCBA negotiations. That's just plain insane. That's LONG TERM money that we will never get back. if those 717s that we didn't want go to DCI (and they will), that's LONG TERM flying, hiring, money that we will never get back. You will see that we have real job security built into this TA if you read it or call your Reps to get the explanation.

Originally Posted by ReasonableMan (Post 1203901)

I think it's just plain dumb to turn down the offer to have a share in the wealth of the company based on a principle that has failed every other pilot group before us. What makes us so different? I want to learn from the mistakes of others and not KNOWINGLY leave money on the table like we did during the JCBA negotiations. That's just plain insane. That's LONG TERM money that we will never get back. if those 717s that we didn't want go to DCI (and they will), that's LONG TERM flying, hiring, money that we will never get back. You will see that we have real job security built into this TA if you read it or call your Reps to get the explanation.

Originally Posted by ReasonableMan (Post 1203960)

I want DAL to have sustained profitability. That's good for everyone!

Originally Posted by ReasonableMan (Post 1203901)

if those 717s that we didn't want go to DCI (and they will), that's LONG TERM flying, hiring, money that we will never get back. You will see that we have real job security built into this TA

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1203976)

Can you elaborate further on this? "it's just plain dumb to turn down the offer to have a share in the wealth of the company based on a principle that has failed every other pilot group before us."

btw, per section 1 we are not competing with DCI over what pilot group gets to fly the 717. They will not be going to DCI unless we give them a RAH like exemption and even then not with DAL customers. Unless that's a part of our 2015 scope concessions.

If you had said Alaska then that'd be closer to reality as we are competing with that piloy group over who gets to fly Delta customers on 739s, 738s and the like.

Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1203983)

Really? You believe this? Why? And support it with facts as to how the 717s end up at DCI.

What you have stated is completely false.

Your motivation for support is grossly obvious though.

Originally Posted by ReasonableMan (Post 1203984)

You are correct concerning sec 1 however, THIS TA will not exist if we turn it down. Plan B for the company goes into effect. As the original JCBA fell off of the table when I was not ratified. That opens the door for he DCI plan. The company has a different intent for Alaska which will be made known after this TA is settled because it is contingent upon the outcome of whatever agreement is reached.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1203997)

So you're saying if we reject the TA we no longer have a contract? Section 1 no longer applies?

Originally Posted by ReasonableMan (Post 1203901)

I think it's just plain dumb to turn down the offer to have a share in the wealth of the company based on a principle that has failed every other pilot group before us. What makes us so different? I want to learn from the mistakes of others and not KNOWINGLY leave money on the table like we did during the JCBA negotiations. That's just plain insane. That's LONG TERM money that we will never get back. if those 717s that we didn't want go to DCI (and they will), that's LONG TERM flying, hiring, money that we will never get back. You will see that we have real job security built into this TA if you read it or call your Reps to get the explanation.