Pure scare tactics. I will let you guess which one is you and which one is management:

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There is a lot of upward movement here but then negative movement there. Some guys on here say hey look the turboprop seat number has changed and intl JV language is tightened. However; it's plain to see that we gave where management really wants to take. Then they gave in the guise of raises but lowered compensation in the 401k stuff. I too started out as a yes vote but have slowly thought and read the TA a couple times and have come to the conclusion that all this rushing surely stinks. I used to think it was a North distrusting management thing and a South blindly following thing. What Carl said really struck a chord in me, The pilots spoke in the contract survey and the MEC did not deliver. I took a hard look at my paycheck and saw how much dues were going to our so called Representation. Looks like the MEC just didn't listen and things went too fast. Send it back!

For a guy in your situation (very reserve A320B) you're going from a 70 hour guarantee at a payrate of $108.83 (annual income of $91,417) to a 75.5 hour guarantee (averaged) at $138.48 (annual income of 125,465), and you'll still have 2 years of step raises left. If an increase of $34,000 (37%) for a first officer is "chump change" I'd like some more of that. Oh, and if we grow you won't be on reserve so the pay will be even higher. Make sure you tell your wife. :D

In the first 18 months of this agreement pay rates go up 16.2% with an additional 1% DC thrown in on top of that. Reserves get an additional 8% with guarantee increase. I've explained the profit sharing ad nauseum, but if something goes wrong in this world I'm sure you'll be clamoring for the conversion back to profit sharing...

If everyone was getting a 37% increase, I think 80knots would be at the head of the "Yes" line. He's never struck me as a "what's in it for me!?" kinda guy, though. As a union guy, should you really be encouraging that sort of mentality? :confused:

Sure, that's neat and all that my pay as a reserve will be going up... but that's hardly the big picture. This contract will keep me off the widebdodies and make upgrade longer (lower reserve staffing) and allow outsourcing to last longer in the future.

I could care less about profit sharing, really. What is astounding is that these crappy overall paybumps had to be funded by the reduction in the profit sharing. If the paybumps were, say, 20% by Jan 1 and another 10% in 2014, then that would be both more believable and more on the road to industry leading.

How about we reenter the "no-spin" zone, bus...

He called that amount of money "chump change." You then extrapolate to "all about me."

How about we look at the collective number. In 2015 Delta pilot pay will be $420 million more than it is this year using the same pay hour formula.

It will take UAL/CAL over $700 million per year and 400 additional pilot hires to come up to that contract.

Chump change...all about me....really. Really?

Got it...real numbers don't matter. But I get your point.

That's neat and all. The payraises should have been 85%, 30% and 30%. Because we're worth it. Your 20%/10% is just weak. A sellout. It doesn't get us anywhere close to what a 1990 pilot made plus inflation.:rolleyes:

And the TA won't keep you off the widebodies. Leaving flying at DCI won't help you get to the widebodies either.

Who am I trying to scare. Vote how you see fit and we'll see where the chips fall. Pretty childish of you to try and insult me with a silly loop. You don't matter enough to me in order for me to care what your personal thoughts of me are. :). On with the discussion for the adults.

Why don't you stop the misdirection with every response? Your concerns have been answered each time, and you have changed course.

I am curious though, how do you feel that THIS Ta keeps you off the widebodies? Are you in the same camp now as R.O. on the DAL forum?

Welcome back T.