New flaw in TA scope
05-30-2012 | 05:27 PM
#91
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Top end, or bottom end?
We could park that many under current language, but with the ratios it would appear impossible at the top (us 78% and them 22%) end.
If anything, these ratios have me thinking again about some sort of consolidation, or growth transaction.
The way I see it, we either get bigger, or it's status quo. This agreement does not work for a "pump and dump" or consolidation of mainline flying.
We could park that many under current language, but with the ratios it would appear impossible at the top (us 78% and them 22%) end.
If anything, these ratios have me thinking again about some sort of consolidation, or growth transaction.
The way I see it, we either get bigger, or it's status quo. This agreement does not work for a "pump and dump" or consolidation of mainline flying.
We will more than likely get bigger. Look at slow's ratios. 22% is not their target is it? It is more like 38% Bar. 1.56:1. 22% is low really low. If I recall slows ratio was 1.6~:1. That allows a lot of slop there if they need to pull down. It still allows the narrow gauge mainline aircraft that are seen as growth to be the first accumulator in the system. Even under the new ratios.
With the build up period going until the end of 2015 we will either renegotiate these ratios or the press to test arrives in 2017 and beyond.(About the time the 717 assumed leases start expiring)
05-30-2012 | 05:51 PM
#94
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Corrected my math to the 7th grade level 
76 seat fleet = equivalent mainline flying percentage
< 153 = Slightly below status quo
154 to 163 = 52.4% mainline ... approximate status quo (no gain)
164 to 173 = 55.6% mainline
174 to 183 = 56.5% mainline
184 to 193 = 57.4% mainline
194 to 203 = 58.3% mainline
204 to 213 = 59.5% mainline
214 to 223 = 61% mainline
What makes this different than 2000, is that Delta has not committed to the 76 seat order, so we don't exactly know what management's intentions are.
(ACL65 ... can you fix, or delete, post #70 in this thread?)
76 seat fleet = equivalent mainline flying percentage
< 153 = Slightly below status quo
154 to 163 = 52.4% mainline ... approximate status quo (no gain)
164 to 173 = 55.6% mainline
174 to 183 = 56.5% mainline
184 to 193 = 57.4% mainline
194 to 203 = 58.3% mainline
204 to 213 = 59.5% mainline
214 to 223 = 61% mainline
What makes this different than 2000, is that Delta has not committed to the 76 seat order, so we don't exactly know what management's intentions are.
(ACL65 ... can you fix, or delete, post #70 in this thread?)
05-30-2012 | 05:52 PM
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Damn dead mouse batteries!
05-30-2012 | 05:53 PM
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Gentlemen,
I am an RJ driver for PSA on the US Airways side of things. Please Please Please for the love of god and this industry DO NOT give up SCOPE. I for one did not see myself sitting in the right seat for five plus years flying an RJ. My aspiration was to move on and continue my career with a legacy carrier. If the Legacy's continue to give into management and outsource mainline flying to these cut throat cheap operators that fly the most uncomfortable POS in the sky, the hopes of all regional pilots will be lost, because there will be nothing to move onto or into. I know that pay is important to all pilots and I for one would never tell you guys what to do, but please just look at the bigger picture. Do not sacrifice the product. Republic Holdings and TSA already fly the E170/175 for you guys. Next thing you know it will be the 190 then the guppy at $25.00 an hour, and you know what, all the Embry Riddle Grads and everyone else out there with Shiny Jet Syndrome will chomp at the bit to fly it. Who would not want a chance, but it all comes with a price. I am not putting anyone down here, all I am asking is that you gentleman take a hard stand on outsourcing and please keep the flying in your house! I would like to fly with you someday, and I will not have that opportunity if the majority of your flying is outsourced to the lowest bidder.
Thanks for listening and fly safe!
I am an RJ driver for PSA on the US Airways side of things. Please Please Please for the love of god and this industry DO NOT give up SCOPE. I for one did not see myself sitting in the right seat for five plus years flying an RJ. My aspiration was to move on and continue my career with a legacy carrier. If the Legacy's continue to give into management and outsource mainline flying to these cut throat cheap operators that fly the most uncomfortable POS in the sky, the hopes of all regional pilots will be lost, because there will be nothing to move onto or into. I know that pay is important to all pilots and I for one would never tell you guys what to do, but please just look at the bigger picture. Do not sacrifice the product. Republic Holdings and TSA already fly the E170/175 for you guys. Next thing you know it will be the 190 then the guppy at $25.00 an hour, and you know what, all the Embry Riddle Grads and everyone else out there with Shiny Jet Syndrome will chomp at the bit to fly it. Who would not want a chance, but it all comes with a price. I am not putting anyone down here, all I am asking is that you gentleman take a hard stand on outsourcing and please keep the flying in your house! I would like to fly with you someday, and I will not have that opportunity if the majority of your flying is outsourced to the lowest bidder.
Thanks for listening and fly safe!
05-30-2012 | 05:53 PM
#97
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The rumor has floated that DAL would launch the C-series at mainline...more of the debt relief on the 50s...the company plan C if you will.
05-30-2012 | 06:02 PM
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If anyone has details, they need to come forward. Otherwise we can't let rumors cloud the decision.
05-30-2012 | 06:09 PM
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Rumors being what they are, the original one floating prior to this TA was that the C-series was to be ordered, I think 10 initially was what was mentioned. I have no further pieces to this rumor.
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