That presupposes that DALPA would file a grievance of that magnitude. Today's DALPA is not the DALPA of 2000. Today's DALPA is a partner with management...at all costs.

Carl

Bacon,

I too was concerned about the RAH cutout. It only exists because of existing contracts with Chitqua and Shuttle America (both of these fall under the scope parameters). The Certificate language has been addressed in section 1. I agree on the passion of the RAH issue but at this moment in this TA is is fixed. Not sure what DPJ is.

Still Listening!

Fiig

Here's the thing, in 2008 we merged and had 602 mainline domestic jets.

Today we have 566. A 6% drop.

Is there anything to indicate the company would throw capacity discipline out the window and increase ASMs?

I am not sure we can make Management do anything like that. They provide the aircraft we fly them. The ratios and block hours are in this TA. Not perfect but there. DCI is shrinking (think seats and DCI pilots not 50 v76 seat a/c) our block hours at mainline are increasing.... Management can park all 747-400 right now if they wanted (Carl would be my captain on the 737-800 we would be having a blast, I mean that) we cant control that. It is all a gamble i believe.

The good thing about this process is that you can go to a road show and step up there to the mike and ask these questions directly of the gents that negotiated this TA...you can ask them (as you have asked elsewhere on these boards) about the negotiating capital we expended in the hiring provisions...you can ask them directly about the downside protections... You can even let them have it about how "infuriated" you are with their product, and how inept they are and how you do not approve of their selling us out to gain the good graces of the management types so that they might join them down the road....would you do that for us Bacon?

There would probably be less angst if the cutout specifically exempted the E190s & A320s that Republic is currently operating for/at Frontier, rather than the entire holding company in perpetuity with any airframes they might acquire. Considering that Republic has C-series on order and their CEO has publicly voiced a desire to fly them directly for Skyteam, I don't think the angst is entirely misplaced.

Oh, DPJ = Delta Private Jets.

Our block hours do not have to increase to be in compliance with the ratios.

That is one of my concerns. The ratios can get better by cutting DCI. The projected 1:76-1 is because of an increase in our block hrs with the 717, but still could be used as an accumulator prior to hitting 1.59-1 at a later date.

Make sense?

How many 88s? 117 right?

How many 717s? 88.

How man mkre 90s? 7.

So park 81 88s as the 717s come in. If ASMs don't matter too much. You won't need any more pilots. DCI goes to DCI 450/325 and with a tweak or two you're 1.56 compliant.

If ASMs matter, given the 739s 1:1 replacement of 81 757s, 8 763s and 7 320s, well you a slight ASM problem. Getting back to ASM neutral is greaty aided by 70 new 76 seaters though. Keep 45 88s could help too. Total pilots required? None if you change the work rules.

If ASMs are to stay neutral. If not, DCI 450 is around 1.2M or so block hours, we're at 1.9M or so you get your ratio.

Btw, going off memory from my spreadsheet, got pulled away.

Absolutely right. But (there's always a but), if Slowplays current ratio of 1 to 1.19 is correct, then something would have to happen to get to 1 to 1.56. If mainline doesn't grow then DCI has to shrink to achieve the ratio. In my book that's a good thing.

Denny