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06-06-2012, 10:47 AM
#131
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Originally Posted by finis72
And what if a tornado hits DL Tech Ops ? I don't understand what people don't get about the increased opportunities this TA offers compared to the alternative which is a long drawn out section 6 in a declining economy.
06-06-2012, 10:57 AM
#132
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Position: 7ER Capt
Posts: 461
Originally Posted by tsquare
No they aren't. they are target fixated on one... single... item... And nothing else. If they were looking long term they would realize that this is a slam dunk yes vote.. especially for the bottom of the list.. Every single guy that I have talked to that is around my seniority or above says pretty much the same thing. "This contract does little for the upper part of the list, but is a no brainer great deal for the bottom.." Every... single... one.
I look for loopholes too. And I have looked very very hard at section 1. I don't see that which isn't there.
And I apologize if my posts come across as condescending.
I look for loopholes too. And I have looked very very hard at section 1. I don't see that which isn't there.
And I apologize if my posts come across as condescending.
You are pretty much always condescending. (and a few others as well.)
As professionals, seems like we could agree to dis-agree without denigrating our fellow professionals.
For me, this is a "slam dunk" no... and for many reasons, which I have stated previously.
Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make their opinions less valid.
Also, we must not talk with the same people. I'm at 24yrs and almost every pilot I have spoken with thinks this is a "no-brainer" no.
Go figure.
06-06-2012, 11:09 AM
#133
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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream
T,
You are pretty much always condescending. (and a few others as well.)
As professionals, seems like we could agree to dis-agree without denigrating our fellow professionals.
For me, this is a "slam dunk" no... and for many reasons, which I have stated previously.
Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make their opinions less valid.
Also, we must not talk with the same people. I'm at 24yrs and almost every pilot I have spoken with thinks this is a "no-brainer" no.
Go figure.
You are pretty much always condescending. (and a few others as well.)
As professionals, seems like we could agree to dis-agree without denigrating our fellow professionals.
For me, this is a "slam dunk" no... and for many reasons, which I have stated previously.
Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make their opinions less valid.
Also, we must not talk with the same people. I'm at 24yrs and almost every pilot I have spoken with thinks this is a "no-brainer" no.
Go figure.
Fair enough.
I still do not intend to be condescending.
Just out of curiosity though, what percentage pay increase will you think is acceptable in another 2 years? or 3? remember what it is that we will be saying no to.. now. No fight or fear mongering.. either one believes in TVM or not. DYODD.
Ciao
06-06-2012, 12:32 PM
#134
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You sure he's on our team? 
06-06-2012, 12:58 PM
#135
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
These are not DALPA scare tactics, they are management scare tactics. Did you think management would NOT use scare tactics? Serious question!
Scare tactics cost management nothing! Campbell was hired for this express purpose. How can you not see this?
Carl
Scare tactics cost management nothing! Campbell was hired for this express purpose. How can you not see this?
Carl
Last edited by ReasonableMan; 06-06-2012 at 01:10 PM.
06-06-2012, 01:00 PM
#136
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Originally Posted by johnso29
And if we only get 150 early outs?
Time will tell
06-06-2012, 01:04 PM
#137
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Originally Posted by flyguy1
Everything I'm hearing says there will be more pilots wanting the early out than will be able to leave.
Time will tell
Time will tell
06-06-2012, 02:29 PM
#138
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So just to add to the conversation, after talking to the union guys in the ATL today they still don't think there will be any hiring before late next year. So how exactly are we to staff all these incoming 717's and 737's?
Some of you guys need to admit that there are definately work rule concessions at work here. Not to mention the 100+ manadatory retirements in that same time frame.
Kind of odd that we still need to ask for early outs to offset this great deal isn't it.....so puzzling.
Some of you guys need to admit that there are definately work rule concessions at work here. Not to mention the 100+ manadatory retirements in that same time frame.
Kind of odd that we still need to ask for early outs to offset this great deal isn't it.....so puzzling.
06-06-2012, 02:34 PM
#139
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
So just to add to the conversation, after talking to the union guys in the ATL today they still don't think there will be any hiring before late next year. So how exactly are we to staff all these incoming 717's and 737's?
Some of you guys need to admit that there are definately work rule concessions at work here. Not to mention the 100+ manadatory retirements in that same time frame.
Kind of odd that we still need to ask for early outs to offset this great deal isn't it.....so puzzling.
Some of you guys need to admit that there are definately work rule concessions at work here. Not to mention the 100+ manadatory retirements in that same time frame.
Kind of odd that we still need to ask for early outs to offset this great deal isn't it.....so puzzling.
One word.....displacements
06-06-2012, 03:27 PM
#140
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Posts: 23,286
Originally Posted by DLpilot
One word.....displacements
I guess the 88 pay tied to the 90 is a win, unless, we get rid of the 88.
