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Old 06-11-2012, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post


For instance, is it true that management asked for 80/82 seats in the CRJ900's? Isn't that a cheap move? Don't they want/need the 2 class configuration for the revenue of our HVC's, and would the 82 seats allow for that? Basically, they threw it out there to force our hand knowing they'd never use that configuration anyway. Yes?.
No. The CRJ-905's can come delivered with 3 class slimline seating at 82 seats, as can the EMB-175. Many of our current CRJ-900's can only be equipped with 80 seats, but that configuration was also going to be used. We used both of them in our cost analysis of trying to get large RJ flying to mainline.

Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
Accepting 33 more 76 seaters due to managements "interpretation" of the allowable 76 seat jet formula, followed by the DPJs grievance gives most of us junior guys little confidence in our Sec 1 language or our Unions desire to enforce it. I think this is where much of the uneasiness originates. This is why many are coming up with all these hypothetical scenarios. We lack confidence in anything but iron clad Sec 1 language.
Point of information, you're repeating more bad data that was provided by junglebus and accepting it as fact. Management had sufficiently grown mainline to allow 127 76 seat aircraft under ALPA's interpretation, and that's the interpretation that management has to use going forward. The difference of 26 is why a grievance was filed, and the risk of an arbitrated award brought both parties to a settelment.
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay View Post
No. The CRJ-905's can come delivered with 3 class slimline seating at 82 seats, as can the EMB-175. Many of our current CRJ-900's can only be equipped with 80 seats, but that configuration was also going to be used. We used both of them in our cost analysis of trying to get large RJ flying to mainline.
Thank you for clearing that up.

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Point of information, you're repeating more bad data that was provided by junglebus and accepting it as fact. Management had sufficiently grown mainline to allow 127 76 seat aircraft under ALPA's interpretation, and that's the interpretation that management has to use going forward. The difference of 26 is why a grievance was filed, and the risk of an arbitrated award brought both parties to a settelment.
slowplay,

Nothing I started in my OP came from junglebus. I vividly remember the issue. They may have grown to the point of allowing 127, but they put 153 into service. LM made a decision, and they got to keep the 153 jets. He didn't want to risk arbitration, fine.

But they (management) knowingly violated our scope AGAIN with DPJs(which I noticed you didn't address in your response). This time we had them in a corner. We get LOA 31, & then we turn around and give the planes right back. Why did we do that? Why did we just give them the large biz jets back? What message does that send? Worse, our own union didn't even tell us what we got for the grievance.
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