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rvr350 06-18-2012 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1214654)
We are trying to sell our "car" to DAL management... If we price it too high they will walk.

DAL mgmt: If you're reading this, we salute you. You have successfully managed to brainwash another DAL mainline pilot into thinking they're working for DELTA AIR LINES, now forever deserve to be paid industry average, providing industry leading sacrifices.

scambo1 06-18-2012 05:30 PM

There are so many derogatory nicknames for Chatauqua (sp?), I assume because it is an odd-ish name in its own right (and not because it is a particularly bad outfit), but could we come up with a standardized derogatory nickname for them instead of the seemingly hundreds floating around.

IMO this is more important than posturing on the TA at this point.

80ktsClamp 06-18-2012 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1214676)
There are so many derogatory nicknames for Chatauqua (sp?), I assume because it is an odd-ish name in its own right (and not because it is a particularly bad outfit), but could we come up with a standardized derogatory nickname for them instead of the seemingly hundreds floating around.

IMO this is more important than posturing on the TA at this point.

I, 80 knots of CLMP origin, propose that "Shaniqua" be the official nickname of Chatauqua airlines, a shell operator of Republic Airlines holdings and forever carved out and exempt of scope violations in our TA's section 1.

Carl Spackler 06-18-2012 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1214671)
FTB, according to my rep, at the meeting Linda Puchala attended, she said that many pilot groups thought they were operating from a position of strength because of the inertia of congress and their apparent inability to act decisively. She said, put that thought out of your head. Legislation putting Delta pilots back to work has already been written and is waiting to put us back to work in the event the NMB path takes us that far.

That is not to say we can't effectively reduce revenue to the extent that it becomes cheaper for the company to pay us v. accept the reduced revenue and reduced profit on that revenue.

Bottom line, it isn't about striking. It is about controlling revenue.

That is patently untrue. My DTW reps were also there and NOTHING even close to that was stated by the NMB. Nothing. But thanks for the continued parroting of a management wish.

Carl

forgot to bid 06-18-2012 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by padre2992 (Post 1214671)
FTB, according to my rep, at the meeting Linda Puchala attended, she said that many pilot groups thought they were operating from a position of strength because of the inertia of congress and their apparent inability to act decisively. She said, put that thought out of your head. Legislation putting Delta pilots back to work has already been written and is waiting to put us back to work in the event the NMB path takes us that far.

That is not to say we can't effectively reduce revenue to the extent that it becomes cheaper for the company to pay us v. accept the reduced revenue and reduced profit on that revenue.

Bottom line, it isn't about striking. It is about controlling revenue.

Padre, why would they have the language written if we're far from the amendable date much less from mediation, arbitration, cooliation, PEBiation, but not stagnation? Do you think the rep was dropping the fud card?

Flytolive 06-18-2012 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1214239)
First of all, NWA pilots did NOT bring 2 Captains over 12 hours to the joint contract. That was DAL.

Did NW fly >12 hour flights with 2 Captains prior to the merger? Did NW used to have Orient in the name because their very roots are in the Pacific where most 12+ hours flights are required? Was DL's presence in the Pacific negligible prior to the merger?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1214239)
And I'm really starting to think you aren't even a UAL pilot. You really didn't know your managements offer was Delta RATES + $1?

You are as wrong about this as most things in your 9,000 I'll-informed posts. Tell your buddy to get a copy of the ltr. from CAL mgmnt regarding their DAL + $1 offer. In it they include caveats regarding implementation issues with many of the DAL PWA work rules et al.

It is amazing to realize that someone who is so ill-informed feels they have so much people need to hear on such a forum, but then again you're a pilot and a "Professional" at that.

80ktsClamp 06-18-2012 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 1214719)
Did NW fly >12 hour flights with 2 Captains prior to the merger? Did NW used to have Orient in the name because their very roots are in the Pacific where most 12+ hours flights are required? Was DL's presence in the Pacific negligible prior to the merger?

Cut the attitude and the personal attacks.


NW's post bankruptcy contract only required 1 captain and 3 FOs for flights over 12 hours. They were still configuring their staffing for that, though. That changeover stopped with the DL merger and going to our staffing methods (2 CA's and 2 FO's for over 12).

Pre-merger, DL flew to NRT, PVG, and ICN.

NW had a negligible presence in Central America, South America, and Africa (also only flew to a handful of European cities) pre-merger... what's your point? The merger completed the route network of both carriers, and now it is paying off greatly.

Flytolive 06-18-2012 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1214726)
Cut the attitude and the personal attacks.

I don't remember a similar admonition for your buddy so I will take this one for what it is worth.


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1214726)
NW's post bankruptcy contract only required 1 captain and 3 FOs for flights over 12 hours. They were still configuring their staffing for that, though. That changeover stopped with the DL merger and going to our staffing methods (2 CA's and 2 FO's for over 12).

Pre-merger, DL flew to NRT, PVG, and ICN.

Thanks for the confirmation.

texavia 06-18-2012 06:28 PM

[QUOTE=padre2992;1214671]. Legislation putting Delta pilots back to work has already been written and is waiting to put us back to work in the event the NMB path takes us that far.

QUOTE]

Chances of that being a true statement probably approach zero.

That said, so what if true, Congress is just about as dysfunctional as it gets, just like some other organizations I can think of.

johnso29 06-18-2012 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 1214719)
Did NW fly >12 hour flights with 2 Captains prior to the merger? Did NW used to have Orient in the name because their very roots are in the Pacific where most 12+ hours flights are required? Was DL's presence in the Pacific negligible prior to the merger? You are as wrong about this as most things in your 9,000 I'll-informed posts. Tell your buddy to get a copy of the ltr. from CAL mgmnt regarding their DAL + $1 offer. In it they include caveats regarding implementation issues with many of the DAL PWA work rules et al.

What's amazing is you state you don't care, but you keep coming back. I'll tell ya what. Since you're a UAL pilot, YOU post a copy of the agreement on here. You prove me wrong. I already posted a quote from a Continental pilot disproving your claim. So show me I'm wrong. I'll glady eat crow if I am.

Plus, I highly doubt you've read all 9000 of my posts. You probably should though. You might actually learn something. ;)


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 1214719)
It is amazing to realize that someone who is so ill-informed feels they have so much people need to hear on such a forum, but then again you're a pilot and a "Professional" at that.

It's funny how you call me ill informed. You've been proven wrong multiple times but you can't admit it. You come on our TA forum and chastise anyone who disagrees with you. You call yourself a true unionist, but you're willing to toss your fellow ALPA brothers and sisters flying those 70 seat RJs out on the street. :D


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