It's so simple
 

A NO vote is a NO brainer in my opinion.

This isn't flame bait or anything. Why would you vote in a contract that has concessions? There are many concessions in this contract. The time for concessions is over, or so I thought. Why would you vote in a contract where the work rules actually reduce our pilot group? Or a contract that farms out more RJ's? The most blatant concession is a 7th short call. DALPA can't put a spin on that one!

You can sit here and argue the various pros/cons all day, but the bottom line to be is very simple. There are concessions in this contract. I thought a contract was about improving things.

You mean you're not using your brain if you vote NO? Precisely! All you have are hunches and guesses as to what will happen next. Worried about a 7th short call? Bid something else. Maybe the 717 would give you a line? Oh wait, you don't really want that.... Remember, subtract 200 RJs sooner to take away capacity to be covered by 70 76 seaters and 88 717s. Then throw in a ratio that favors mainline by an extra 6%, which is significant. Ah heck, we can ask for a 28% DOS pay raise in a few years. No biggie.

I am voting no for many reasons. First we did not meet Janet pay. They are flying the 737-700 for SWA pay and get government pensions and per diem as well. They fly short legs carrying paxengers that don't ***** much. Their uniform or lack of would be a bonus. Meals provided and great medical care. Every night in their own bed. How dope is that

Uh, that bed is in Las Vegas so I'm going to have to say, uh...not very dope.

A 477 Page document is anything but simple. How do we label the price tag on the scope? Ask a DAL 2000's furloughee, when DAL whacked many hundreds of mainline jobs and then the DCI carriers hired thousands.

This is not a simple decision, it is a complex document with complex changes that require complex thoughts.

In 2002 they replaced our routes and our jobs with 50 seaters. It might not happen initially if this TA is approved, but soon enough, they will relace our routes and jobs with 76 seaters. That's not a hunch or a guess. A hunch or guess would be to think you could tighten scope on 76's seaters at some point in the future. That's not going to happen, unless we trade them for 90 seaters. I could see that happening in 2 1/2 years for maybe 4/8.5/3/3.

Same old infantile response - if you don't want to sit reserve bid away from it. Using that logic, reserve will get more onerous with every contract going forward and the gives used to increase lineholder QOL because, after all, reserve is a choice. Plus, I think Lumberg has developed Snarky Response Syndrome(SRS). He/she just can't let a no vote post go unmocked. I feel for you Bill, I am also a sufferer.

According to DALPA, reserve is going to be so lucrative under the new contract that you wont be senior enough to hold it! HAHAHAHAHA :rolleyes:

It's been one of the great psychological successes of management/DALPA. They've redefined negotiations for many pilots. Used to be that concessions only belonged in negotiations when the company's finances were bad. Now after a decade of this mindset, DALPA has agreed with management that concessions are now part of negotiations even when your company is making billions. The BS about sucking it up because all these years of profits will provide us the leverage to regain our industry leading contract, is now replaced by DALPA saying our survey requests were invalid because they are "out of context". Now every gain in our TA is fully funded by concessions in other areas. And this during a time of record past profits, record current profits, and record forecasted future profits.

Carl

My spouse is the Delta pilot in the family and I'm with UCAL. She will make more as am md88fo than I do as a 777fo if the TA passes thus becoming the breadwinner of the family.
I am lucky to be able to see and feel both sides of having a TA to look at versus fighting for one for close to 3 years now at UCAL with no NMB release in sight. It is interesting watching the Delta TA presented 6 months ahead of the amendable date yet most can't seem to grasp the opportunity presented them. Management doesn't seem to present many opportunities at the negotiating table any more and the NMB is no help either. Sure this contract could probably be a little better but I think your NC got everything they could at this time. Take it and fight another battle 2 years from now or join us at UCAL in misery.

(not sure how the wife is going to vote but she lives with my UCAL frustration everyday and knowing management controls the next opportunity whenever that is)