The 70 extra LARGE RJ's are a concession, plain and simple. It's regional GROWTH. I don't care about the reduction in 50 seaters. It is being viewed as a win, but it's a loss. In my opinion, this is allowing regionals to GROW. These are 90 seat aircraft, configured to 76 passengers. These are the aircraft truly replacing our mainline domestic route structure. A 50 seater configured with 50 seats can't replace a mainline flight. A 90 seater configured with 76 seats CAN.

We have concessions that are going to REDUCE the amount of Delta pilots. "Don't worry boys, with the early outs it will be even". Well guess what? The early outs happen AFTER the TA has already been voted on. Why would you even factor that in as a part of this equation?

Losing profit sharing - another concession. Things we gained during the JCBA are already being given back... that didn't take long. Didn't we go from 8 short calls to 6 on the JCBA? That was too greedy - lets give it back.

I am amazed at the guys on here - Bill, alfa, etc. pushing this TA. Even every union communication we receive that isn't from DTW is encouraging you to vote yes. I guess if they say it enough times - people will vote yes. Like papa johns... "better ingredients, better pizza" if you hear that enough times, you actually believe papa johns is using better ingredients and not the same stuff that comes out of a can that all the other pizza places use.

I'll give an A to the DALPA marketing department, but an F to the TA. I'd rather take my chances with a drawn out section 6, knowing that RA will want a deal done even if this gets voted down. They would be back to the table and within a month or two we would have some fixes to this TA and mgmt would go forward with the business plan of adding 717's.

Yup- this is almost as good as today's 90210 marathon. Current episode, Brandon is getting in trouble gambling, while David and Donna are getting closer. Dylans dad got blowed up last episode, btw.

With the violent swings this industry has, I'm suprised people are so hung up on this. We are taking money that isn't guaranteed, and turning it into money that is guaranteed in our pockets. Yes, I know Delta is "forecast" to make billions. But I trust accountants about as far as I can throw a Peterbuilt. Payrates are more guaranteed then profit sharing.

Subtract 200+ RJs, then add 70. I have a feeling most of those 50 seat routes will be retained, so 70 and 76 seaters will fill in the 50 seat route gaps. Then, add 88 717s, which is the next step up from a 76 seater. There is not a big stretch, like a 76 seater to an MD88. No, the next step up is a 717. It's that simple. Add a ratio to keep DCI in line, and you have a good TA, with a nice 20% raise in less than 3 years. Very simple actually.

Use math skills if you can please. 200+ 50 seaters leaving. 70 76 seaters coming. That means less outsourcing. Then ADD 88 717s. You can do it.

Looks like they got to you. Why do you have to take money and "turn it in to" other money? We are not in chapter 11. It's a concession. We should be getting the SAME profit sharing, with the same raises. The fact that you and others think it's necessary to exchange some items for others in this contract and make it "cost-neutral" is alarming.

You are way off. Management is reducing outsourcing overall, and tightening their own international scope with this TA. They may have wanted more 76 seaters, but with it they have to yield a ratio that downsizes DCI. The 88 717s will swoop in and take back regional flights that you are currently doing between larger city pairs. The profit sharing decrease might take place in 2014, not next year, and by 2015 we would be negotiating again. If the analysts are right and DL is wildly profitable, the profit sharing cutback may not happen at all, actually increasing to 20% from 15%. Will there be 300 furloughs? No one ever said that, but you. The 717s, that have to come or no additional CR9s, could add 1000 jobs, and the VP of flt Ops said hiring this Fall (you don't trust him....). DL would be way ahead if AA, US, and UA, who really haven't helped anyone in pattern bargaining. And 20% raise in 2 1/2 years is great. How has your own pay progressed? It's a great deal with better scope overall, less outsourcing, 717s, good pay. You're wrong.

I'm hung up on it because it was "used" to fund very meager pay increases which eventually put a couple choice categories "leading the industry*" in pay rates.


*leading the industry refers to topping 2012 pay rates in 2015.

Derision is the best you can do to a post that was given some thought by the poster. Bill you are getting bad. There are quite a few on here that don't see the TA the same way you do. We haven't had that OMG moment of epiphany that you have and by the way, it's our vote!

I get it that you need the $$, but please don't try to sell this TA as positive. There are some positives in it, but far too many give backs or ups to stomach anything but a no. Please stop the demeaning posts.

It is very simple. This TA will breathe life into a dying DCI model. It may reduce the total number of RJ's now, but DALPA has proved that a hard cap limit is for sale. We will be back at the table in only 2 1/2 years, and the company will be looking for more large RJ's. I'm okay with the pay. Scope was my number one concern going into this negotiation.

I've heard your argument that this TA tightens scope, and understand what your saying, so you don't need to say it again.