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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 1294926)
New calls to go out around January for new interviews (people who already have apps on file). Application window will open around June 2013 for people who havent already applied.
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Originally Posted by ERJF15
(Post 1295035)
How has training been so far? Were you prior 121? If so, compare.
I was prior 121, however, it was Pinnacle. Not really known for an excellent training program. If you asked a question the instructor (often someone who has never flown a CRJ, possibly a ramper or crew scheduler, too), you got the "That's a Captain thing, you don't need to know that" or the ever famous "Don't worry. You'll learn that on the line." answers. None of that here. If the instructor doesn't know (and so far most of our instructors have TONS of experience, many starting their careers in the early to mid 80s), they'll find out on a break and get back to you. |
Most of you in the pool will be heading to JBU in Orlando soon. In my opinion, JB will need more then what they are predicting for 2013. I just turned in my resignation, and there is another two in my class that will be moving on soon. They were a bid surprised, when I emailed them my resignation, and asked me why I'm quitting and how they can retain "talent". My answer is very easy: It's a free market thing! Offer pilots a better pay, and over all compensation package, stop rhetorics of "orgasmic growth" when you deliver 10 A320 and 9 are replacement. Stop raping your employees of benefits when you make billions in record profits (the Caring thing you know), stop intimidating PVC members that are trying to make a difference. Stop comparing your existing "talent" to Cape Air or local flight school Commercial pilots.
When your blue juice level and pressure is finally down, and you start looking from inside out, you'll see, that jB is another stepping stone in your career and management doesn't care if you are going to stay or move on, since right now they have plenty of applicants out there. But they will have to do something next year, when most of the qualified "talents" will start quitting in bulks every week for legacies. For now they are focusing on hiring pilots without PIC or low time, since they know, those candidates will stick around for a while. Good luck to you all, I wish you best of the career in jB, and I hope they will change their approach for retaining "talent" |
Originally Posted by jetlink
(Post 1295208)
Most of you in the pool will be heading to JBU in Orlando soon. In my opinion, JB will need more then what they are predicting for 2013. I just turned in my resignation, and there is another two in my class that will be moving on soon. They were a bid surprised, when I emailed them my resignation, and asked me why I'm quitting and how they can retain "talent". My answer is very easy: It's a free market thing! Offer pilots a better pay, and over all compensation package, stop rhetorics of "orgasmic growth" when you deliver 10 A320 and 9 are replacement. Stop raping your employees of benefits when you make billions in record profits (the Caring thing you know), stop intimidating PVC members that are trying to make a difference. Stop comparing your existing "talent" to Cape Air or local flight school Commercial pilots.
When your blue juice level and pressure is finally down, and you start looking from inside out, you'll see, that jB is another stepping stone in your career and management doesn't care if you are going to stay or move on, since right now they have plenty of applicants out there. But they will have to do something next year, when most of the qualified "talents" will start quitting in bulks every week for legacies. For now they are focusing on hiring pilots without PIC or low time, since they know, those candidates will stick around for a while. Good luck to you all, I wish you best of the career in jB, and I hope they will change their approach for retaining "talent" |
Originally Posted by jetlink
(Post 1295208)
Most of you in the pool will be heading to JBU in Orlando soon. In my opinion, JB will need more then what they are predicting for 2013. I just turned in my resignation, and there is another two in my class that will be moving on soon. They were a bid surprised, when I emailed them my resignation, and asked me why I'm quitting and how they can retain "talent". My answer is very easy: It's a free market thing! Offer pilots a better pay, and over all compensation package, stop rhetorics of "orgasmic growth" when you deliver 10 A320 and 9 are replacement. Stop raping your employees of benefits when you make billions in record profits (the Caring thing you know), stop intimidating PVC members that are trying to make a difference. Stop comparing your existing "talent" to Cape Air or local flight school Commercial pilots.
When your blue juice level and pressure is finally down, and you start looking from inside out, you'll see, that jB is another stepping stone in your career and management doesn't care if you are going to stay or move on, since right now they have plenty of applicants out there. But they will have to do something next year, when most of the qualified "talents" will start quitting in bulks every week for legacies. For now they are focusing on hiring pilots without PIC or low time, since they know, those candidates will stick around for a while. Good luck to you all, I wish you best of the career in jB, and I hope they will change their approach for retaining "talent" |
Originally Posted by jetlink
(Post 1295208)
Most of you in the pool will be heading to JBU in Orlando soon. In my opinion, JB will need more then what they are predicting for 2013. I just turned in my resignation, and there is another two in my class that will be moving on soon. They were a bid surprised, when I emailed them my resignation, and asked me why I'm quitting and how they can retain "talent". My answer is very easy: It's a free market thing! Offer pilots a better pay, and over all compensation package, stop rhetorics of "orgasmic growth" when you deliver 10 A320 and 9 are replacement. Stop raping your employees of benefits when you make billions in record profits (the Caring thing you know), stop intimidating PVC members that are trying to make a difference. Stop comparing your existing "talent" to Cape Air or local flight school Commercial pilots.
When your blue juice level and pressure is finally down, and you start looking from inside out, you'll see, that jB is another stepping stone in your career and management doesn't care if you are going to stay or move on, since right now they have plenty of applicants out there. But they will have to do something next year, when most of the qualified "talents" will start quitting in bulks every week for legacies. For now they are focusing on hiring pilots without PIC or low time, since they know, those candidates will stick around for a while. Good luck to you all, I wish you best of the career in jB, and I hope they will change their approach for retaining "talent" |
Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
(Post 1294298)
Way to alienate 50% of your ALPA brethren by diminishing their career. Good thing ALPA will be on the look out for both you and the small life world. How can the same union fairly represent two separate and unequal pilot groups for two separate companies owned by the same corporation? Oh, one goes bankrupt, the other gets an industry leading contract. I can't wait until they represent my best interests. As far as JetBlue firing an employee for destruction of company property. Nice work!!! Lets get ALPA on property, so we can all smash our laptops, pee in the jetway and stick gum in the crew lounge locks AND NOT GET FIRED. Lol! There's more to that story. I wasn't there. Now, Mr. 211, take a quick look at USAir's A320 and E190 pay scales and compare to JBlue. Once again, case closed! It's is like an episode of Law and Order. Can we do better with the company reporting big $$? He'll yeah! And, we will. The management knows this and have nothing to gain from not spreading the wealth. My insurance compensation package at CPZ (ALPA) was worse than Jblue's current plan. That's as an employed pilot. As a furloughed pilot I would continue to argue that a COBRA is more costly than jblue's current plan, and having a job is always better than not. JBlue has never furloughed a pilot so 211 automatically loses the "vast majority" of union pilot argument. As far as economics go, here's a free lesson. JBlue is expanding markets, adding new aircraft, hiring and making $. That equals jobs in the micro scale of the company and macro environment of the travel industry.
Dude, are you aware that over 10% of the Pilot group quit the Airline just a few years ago????? That doesn't happen at SWA, DAL, FEX, AK, UPS etc. And, despite the loss, many, many Pilots still left on R&R. How can you furlough when hundreds of Pilots bail??? JJ |
Originally Posted by coryk
(Post 1295271)
Where are you headed?
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 1295210)
Congrats on the new gig!
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Originally Posted by jetlink
(Post 1295379)
UAL /CAL
Thank you I understand you'll move up way quicker at a legacy with the future retirements and your earning potential MAY be greater long-term, but no one ever seems to consider QOL or having pride in their position as considerations when choosing a career airline. Do people honestly not care that the general public associates an employee of many legacy airlines as representing a terrible organization that could care less about the passenger, and of course the employee group. Are there people our there that only care about the pay and moving up in seniority? Sounds like a friend of mine who works at the Post Office! Contracts will come and go, but management will not just change overnight. Many management teams at legacy carriers will continue to find ways to keep the pilot group negative regardless of contract negotiations or pay increases (scope, RSV rules, etc..). I find it very confusing when my same friend who has spent years complaining about how horrible it is to work at UAL/CAL and how embarrassing it is to represent the airline to the public now is encouraging me to apply? I had a USAirways Captain practically beg me not to apply as he thought I would be happier working at Home Depot! JB may have plenty of issues, but in my short time here I have found the pilot group to be generally much happier than some Legacy groups and cerainly the customers seem to love the product. I think there is something to be said about having pride in where you work, but maybe that's just me! |
UAL provides better pay/retirement/benefits, a CBA that the company is held accountable to, retirements providing seniority movement, a business model that has grown and stood the test of time (founded 1927), global route network and aircraft options to see the world.
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