I realize that they can do what they want, but the question is have they? Can doing it and having done it are very different precedents. I understand they have no ability to displace, they have the ability to wave the proverbial carrot of better lines in bases where they want more crews and then shrink the base behind them.

there has been no need... if the need arose? Every thing would close, then they woud tell you to grieve it through your lawyer.

The only reason we didn't lose our jobs in 08' was because so many too LOA's and guys went back to DAL and UAL.

From the BOS CP in 08' "the senior guys wanted to furlough to keep the bid devisors up, but so many left we need you all here".

Not exactly correct..... they could move time away from a base but if no pilots bids out to the base new base positions (time)they would need to hire for the unfiled time. This was proven over the past few year with our JFK E190 time. So they really can't close a base.

What do you mean they can't close a base? I guarantee that if they were losing money by having a base open, the company would close it, just like all other airlines. They may not be able to force you to bid out, but surely there's a way for them to force people out of a base.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems silly to think that they can't close a base if they wanted to.

Exactly. They could do anything they want not just with bases but with our employment entirely.

So far they havent closed any bases, which is lucky for us. But if you live on the coast of Florida during hurricane season shouldnt you have insurance to cover possible damages?

While attrition at JetBlue would increase your senirioty faster than retirements it would not be enough to get you where you want/should be vs a real major airline. Even if one third of our pilots leave, you will still see 10-15-20 years till Captain upgrade. Why? Becuase those that remain and are captains are still very young compaired to a normal legacy manning spread.

If you are counting on attrition to give you increased seniority faster, you will be very disappointed. Plus by the time you realize it, you will have been here 5-10 years and missed your chance at a real major airline that has real defined attrition due to retirements (vs hoping for pilots just leaving jetblue)

JetBlue should ONLY be considered as a temp job on the way to getting hired at a real major airline. It is a place to get out of the Regionals and into the majors. If you need PIC time, don't go to JetBlue. If you want good protections/work rules/retirement/medical/CBA, don't go to JetBlue.

Just my opinion......

FNG

Exactly. They haven't close a base becuase they haven't needed to.

They haven't furloughed anyone becuase they haven't needed to.

No one should ever think that such things would never happen. This is business and Management will do what ever they need to do to make $$$. (at our expense)

Just my opinion.......

FNG

Unfortunately, any airline can do anything they want with based and they have. JB is no different except that they haven't yet. That's as good as you can get anywhere as far as base selection goes. There is a as good of a chance as anywhere that once you get based at home (I live in SoCal) you can spend the rest of your time served at JB there.

Where did you guys get your crystal ball and how can I get one? Or should I just have you predict the future for me? Must be nice to have it all figured out. Now, why don't you stop talking about it and actually go do it already?

And once again, thanks for sharing this on the poolies thread!

Guarantee this guy is a FLL CA who has what he wants and doesn't give a S&*% what's good for you. 90% of the BS you read on here is from 10% of the JBU guys and they are all from FLL. They are senior and couldn't get hired anywhere else in the early 2000's. Don't let some guy influence where you feel like working. He's like a broken record. You don't see this at any other airline (guys trying to repress each other). I have no idea what his agenda is. He's not trying to help you. Somebody is going to work here, why not promote the job with people who will help the cause. Only you can decide what's right for you and your family. It's a five yr. upgrade right now and will go lower as people decide to leave. So what? Where else are you going to get a quicker upgrade. No, it's not on the 320: But it's still an upgrade. If you're close to upgrade at a regional then stay there for a while. If you already have your time and cannot stand bankrupt pinnacle, etc, then come over here. It's certainly not going to hurt your career. I am 100% pro CBA, I don't care who our affiliation is. My belief is that when we vote in a CBA, this kind of cannibalization will dissappear. Lotta tough guys down in FLL.