We are buying corvettes and saving puppies? If that is the case I found the image for C2012 ...

Hey Bill, can you hold A now on the 88 or 9?

If he can't, by the time a yes on this TA plays out the joke will be on him, 'cause he ain't gonna be able to hold it on the 717 either.

Santa has a lump of coal for him.

FTB, IMHO this post should be on every thread in this subforum. I wish hardcopies could be put in the VFiles.

We are starting to see how the company fooled us, and it hasn't even passed yet. Gotta love the information age.

80,

I think you are being a little disingenuous here. Alpa is saying without the TA they predict about 1800 new hires (thru 2016) and with the TA they predict 2900 new hires (thru 2016). So I see them predicting about 1100 new hires with the TA. Take a look at the last 2 slides of the Touch and Go. Not saying I agree or disagree with the numbers just that you need to look at the whole document.

Denny

I was being sarcastic/facetious, Denny. :) I was making fun of the sell job on this thing.

Can't hit a homerun when the other teams can't get out of the dugout. No pattern bargaining with our peers means get the deal done with as many improvements as we can get, keep it short in duration, and get a good raise, which 19.7% in 3 years accomplishes. Going the longer section six way won't give us anything better, and it will take longer. Supposed leverage is a hunch at best, and RA already warned about plan B. Do you think he would come back with a better offer after the other unions were voted off the property? Heck no. It's not that hard to understand.

With constructive engagement you shouldn't have to fear that a no vote causes immediate vindictive retribution.

Or it's not engagement, it's infringement.

Denny,

We had ACTUAL scope language that we thought disallowed a RAH style holding company abuse. We were wrong because the company said they'd found a loophole and our "union" agreed with management. That's with ACTUAL language. Now we have "predictions" from people, not contract language, but "predictions"...and we're giving that credence? Really?

Alfaromeo (a member of our MEC administration) has posted here that "this TA includes an additional 1,000 mainline jobs." That's not only completely incorrect, but it's an example of why some of us are referring to this as a sales job. The 88 717's are NOWHERE in this TA. They are only in a press release from management, and that's just one example. Personal predictions, emails from management, and press releases from management are NOT contract language.

Carl

Sometimes a good deal comes up early that can help both parties. If you don't want to be a part of that at that time, you may lose out. You may want to re-read RA's message, it doesn't seem vindictive, rather matter of fact. Roll the dice....