Fair enough T,

I was AGAINST. Maybe I am delusional or misinformed (I went over and above with deciphering the TA, thus proud of my vote). I accept the fact that the majority of my peers accepted this TA. I will be ok with that decision and move on positively as a good little Delta employee. I dont think DPA is the answer to anything either.

My concern is still:

1) The exploitation of section 1. Whether it happens now or in 3 years. I have a strong gut feeling that the 76 seaters will eventually morph into 90 seaters. I dont think the 4-8-3-3 is worth the continual degradation of our careers.

2) My opinion is that 4-8-3-3 is going to be the new Delta standard. Whether you believe it or not. We just gave management a plethora of relief for "measly" pay. Basically, they know that the Delta pilots will never ask for anything more than COLA. What is that pay, when you factor in the cost of living and taxes? Is it worth the continual outsourcing of our careers? I guess to 62% of my co-workers, it is.

Respectfully and as a good team-member I will never say,"I told you so",

TEN

This is just silly. I will bet you that when the application window opens again, there will be thousands of guys trying to come here... thousands. And I will also bet you that there will be many that will be coming from the other legacy carriers.. even some that are still on the property (not furloughed) but if you are right, and this place sucks so bad, there will be virtually zero applications. jobless... :rolleyes:

And as a 51 year old, the main thing that sold me on this agreement was the scope win. There is NOTHING in THAT for me, but it was the right thing to do for the younger guys. The money was good, but not great, and the DC addition leaves a lot to be desired. So why don;t you back off throwing rocks at the old guys before you really know why they voted the way they did...

I get the angst. I do. It is scary, but I don't see 90 seaters at DCI because that flying currently does not exist there. I just don't see that happening. I can;t think of anyone that will vote for that.

As to the pay.. I think the 3,3 part will be modified before we ever get there because of further industry consolidation. That will open the contract again. But even if not, I would take 4/8.5/3/3 on the next contract in a heartbeat. But stay tuned. The problem is that we have no one to pattern off of, and I don't think anybody will pass us prior to that next consolidation event. THAT worries me a little. So what that leaves is the cherry picking of UPS and FedEx to pattern from. (SWA is not included in my thoughts here because I firmly believe they are gonna get a mediocre (even by some standards expressed HERE) contract..

Lastly. DPA is destructive. They serve zero beneficial purpose.

PS. You DO know that my argument was aimed at Bacon Bits and not you, right? ;)

I appreciate the sentiment, and although I think "yes" was the wrong path, I do respect that the majority of this (outrageously and irrationally risk-averse) pilot group has spoken. So be it.

However, if warranted, I will say "I told you so" as much as necessary to ensure we don't bend ourselves over like this ever again.

"can you prove that?"

[that's my best johnso29 imitation]

DPA provided nothing but division during Sec 6 and the TA ratification window. TC e-mailed a classless comparison of our TA to a forced abortion, then back pedalled like crazy.

Geez, can't let facts get in the way now can we? :rolleyes:

Or, maybe in six momths those that voted no on it will look back and say to themselves, "that really was a good deal, thanks ALPA."

Either way, does it really matter? This PWA will never get to 2015. There will be a JBCA before then with whomever we next merge with.

No you don't, or you never would have put the parentetical statement in. It is a back handed thinly veiled shot.

You do know that constant "I told you so" only diminishes your credibility and causes your target audience to discredit your message and tune you out.

Absolutely correct sir. Bacon's "credibility" (as I said before, he is simply a bitter irrational man) is suspect for precisely the reasons you mentioned.

You are a DPA proponent, do you truly believe that holding a contemptuous attitude towards the pilots you want DPA to represent will garner support for your group among the pilots you hold in such low regard?