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Old 08-18-2012 | 06:10 PM
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I'm sure this won't lead to any disagreement...

From the letter, "Delta Crew Resources projects pilot head count to be DOWN over 11 percent by FEB 2013"

Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - New Contract Efficiencies Create Massive Job Losses

It points to docs available on DeltaNet so I went to the source and downloaded them myself. The only difference is that in the title of the doc it says it's for "requirements" and "not a headcount." The docs don't have anyone's name on them for verification of the author. So what's the "truth"?
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Old 08-18-2012 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Soulshine
I'm sure this won't lead to any disagreement...

From the letter, "Delta Crew Resources projects pilot head count to be DOWN over 11 percent by FEB 2013"

Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - New Contract Efficiencies Create Massive Job*Losses

It points to docs available on DeltaNet so I went to the source and downloaded them myself. The only difference is that in the title of the doc it says it's for "requirements" and "not a headcount." The docs don't have anyone's name on them for verification of the author. So what's the "truth"?
More reasons why I will not be renewing my card... those questions come up every time the requirements/headcount charts come out 3 times a year. Glad they finally caught on! (but missed the bus...)
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Old 08-18-2012 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Soulshine
I'm sure this won't lead to any disagreement...

From the letter, "Delta Crew Resources projects pilot head count to be DOWN over 11 percent by FEB 2013"

Delta Pilots Association - DPA News - New Contract Efficiencies Create Massive Job*Losses

It points to docs available on DeltaNet so I went to the source and downloaded them myself. The only difference is that in the title of the doc it says it's for "requirements" and "not a headcount." The docs don't have anyone's name on them for verification of the author. So what's the "truth"?
Soulshine... good song btw.

Anyways, there are two reports put up on Deltanet, one called the 22D2 and the other the 22D3.

The big spread between the two is normal and we staff close to the higher number, so comparing the 22D2 vs 22D3 isn't correct. Right now right around 10,500-10,700 pilots fly the line and that's close to the 10,600 on the 22D3 report. To see how that compares you need to see another 22D3 report, not a 22D2 report. Unfortunately, I don't think too many of us sit down and save those files to do a comparison.

But I did fine an August 2010 22D2 report that showed 9,777 pilots required vs the 9,419 the FEB13 22D2 now shows. So that's down about 358 pilots.

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Old 08-18-2012 | 07:46 PM
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Nothing to see here. Just more grasping at straws by a dead group walking.
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Old 08-18-2012 | 08:24 PM
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Just more grasping at straws by a dead group walking.
Growing but yet dead?

Takes cajones to take on the big dog.

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Old 08-18-2012 | 08:30 PM
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Growing but yet dead?

Takes cajones to take on the big dog.

The problem is DPA is counting cards that are likely dead. Many cards were submitted for no purpose other then to rattle sabers.
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Old 08-18-2012 | 08:33 PM
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FtB as always posts the interesting information. Kudos for doing some legwork.

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Old 08-18-2012 | 08:47 PM
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FtB as always posts the interesting information. Kudos for doing some legwork.

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Actually... via PM I got reminded that there is someone who has been tracking this stuff.

We are down. It'll be interesting watching this as we move forward.
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Old 08-18-2012 | 08:53 PM
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Actually... via PM I got reminded that there is someone who has been tracking this stuff.

We are down. It'll be interesting watching this as we move forward.
Yea, but I've come to the conclusion that the 717s will not be growth airplanes, nor will the hiring that was "speculated", to whatever end, prior to the TA, materialize.

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Old 08-18-2012 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Growing but yet dead?

Takes cajones to take on the big dog.

Between this (making an uneducated assertion on something that is published several times a year and shows the same data time after time) and actions during the TA process, their leadership is showing pure ignorance.

I'm all for renewal of leadership at ALPA, and time for the same at DPA if they want to have a chance.
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