1. Nope. It is a deal with Delta, not DCI. Just like the Delta PWA. The signature page tells you all you need to know.

2. As you should be. Who knows who else comes to the table next?

ALPA is supposed to be a bottom up organization. Your Reps are supposed to advance your concerns, not wait for some professional administrator to tell them what to think.

 

I'm pretty sure express jet (ASA) has a contract guaranteeing them 80% of connection flying out of ATL. How is this any different?

 

The Expressjet contract is within their ASA/SkyWest structure.

The Pinnacle deal is directly with Delta.

 

Delta pilots could, tomorrow, negotiate to take back all scope. 80% of 0 connection flying in ATL is 0. Everything is contractually compliant.

With this Pinnacle agreement, Delta pilots could attempt to negotiate to take back all scope. Delta would respond by saying "we have contractually agreed with another airline that they are allowed X number of Delta airplanes, we cannot violate that contract and give you your scope back. ALPA signed off on that contract."


Pinnacle's new deal is another, third party airline, signing a scope deal with Delta. Unlike regional outsourcing up til now, Pinnacle will officially own Delta flying. It will be "their" flying as much as Delta pilots' flying is "their" flying.

 

I see your point. We had those contracts all along, but you're saying they were with the airline not the pilots. More specifically our union.

 

Bingo.

Write your Rep.

 

Yep, a good simple way to put it would be that Delta pilots and their scope control what Delta can outsource to other airlines. But, this deal is another pilot group directly negotiating with Delta for flying and therefore becoming a second group of pilots that owns and controls Delta flying.

There are now two pilot groups with scope agreements, both negotiated and signed by ALPA, that directly fight against each other for the same flying.

Those airplanes are no longer Delta pilot flying that has been given away. They are Pinnacle pilot flying. If Delta pilots want it back, no negotiating capital can make it happen unless Pinnacle pilots decide they want to give it up.

 

Lowlut,

To expand on your point slightly. The Administrative Manual, Section 40, on page 5, has a process which the Delta pilots followed during C2012. We brought our Section 1 proposal to national, conferred with those in the mainline / express system and went to negotiate our contract with ALPA's authority to do so.

The Pinnacle pilots saw no need to comply with the Administrative Manual. They simply did a deal with Delta management.

Ideally, MEC s are required to follow the Constitution and Bylaws and Admin Manual. If they don't the President refuses to sign. If airlines within the mainline / express system want to coordinate for mainline to recover scope, that is a good thing. The rules are set up so that pilots are represented equally and fairly within one powerful union. We can resolve our differences internally and move forward together, in unity, towards a common goal.

The Pinnacle pilots, by their actions, disagree with the intent of the Admin Manual and do not respect the autonomy of the Delta MEC to deal with Delta management.

The inevitable problems with Pinnacle's approach are:

• It violates the Constitution and Bylaws, as well as the Administrative Manual
• It is inevitable that different contracts are going to contradict one another
• It is inevitable that management will use their new found choice to whipsaw pilots
• The different amenable dates on the various contracts will be used by management to preempt each other's bargaining
• The mainline carriers will likely leave ALPA once they figure out their autonomy is threatened. Of course, but then the precedent is already set and the damage already done.

 

Thanks for posting all that. Sure is a mess and I can't believe ALPA is allowing it to happen.

 

Allowing it to happen or pursuing it?