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Old 03-22-2013 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew
No foreign airline pilots allowed. Must be in CASS. They must purchase a ZED ticket and ride the back as a regular pax.
Not true. Foreign airline pilots are allowed. Must be in CASS only to ride the actual flight deck jumpseat. If not in CASS, but on the reciprocal jumpseat list, may only occupy a seat in the cabin. And without having to purchase a ZED ticket. FOM text says:

9.2.2 Non-Flightdeck Jumpseat Occupants. Pilots and dispatchers from airlines that do not participate in CASS are only authorized to occupy a seat in the cabin. See paragraph 9.10.4 Reciprocal Jumpseat List.

Examples of foreign airlines, whose pilots would be allowed to occupy a seat in the cabin without being in CASS because of being on the reciprocal jumpseat list are Air Canada, Air Jamaica, Bahamas Air, Cayman Airways and WestJet.
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Old 03-22-2013 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Does USAirways allow expats ride in the back on a JS pass?
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I was questioning about US pilots working abroad as expats.
Can you add more details to help narrow the exact situation you are asking about? If there is an expat who works for Cathay or Emirates for example, and is travelling domestically back here in the states then there is no possibility of using a JS pass to ride.

Those two carriers are not in CASS, so riding in the actual flight deck jumpseat on US Airways would not be allowed.

Additionally, those two carriers are also not on the US Airways reciprocal jumpseat list, so an expat employee (pilot) of either of those carriers being able to ride in the back using a JS pass is also not possible. This is similar to how any pilot from a foreign air carrier would be handled, when their airline is not on the reciprocal jumpseat list. Doesn't seem to matter about the birthplace/citizenship/expat status of the employee, it's more focused on the established agreements between the various employing air carriers to allow or disallow various JS travel options.

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Old 03-22-2013 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by trent890
Can you add more details to help narrow the exact situation you are asking about? If there is an expat who works for Cathay or Emirates for example, and is travelling domestically back here in the states then there is no possibility of using a JS pass to ride.

Those two carriers are not in CASS, so riding in the actual flight deck jumpseat on US Airways would not be allowed.

Additionally, those two carriers are also not on the US Airways reciprocal jumpseat list, so an expat employee (pilot) of either of those carriers being able to ride in the back using a JS pass is also not possible. This is similar to how any pilot from a foreign air carrier would be handled, when their airline is not on the reciprocal jumpseat list. Doesn't seem to matter about the birthplace/citizenship/expat status of the employee, it's more focused on the established agreements between the various employing air carriers to allow or disallow various JS travel options.


Use to jump seat from JFK to my home airport with Jet Blue all the time. At the time I was with Ryanair... non-CASS. My first time jumpseating, I submitted my ID and certificates, both US and Irish at the old JFK terminal in 2005. They were excellent to jump seaters. Best part... uniform not required. just ID. It was a seat in the back, which is OK, as the last place I want to sit after doing 100 per month and going home on my block off is in the cockpit.

My current carrier gets me back to the US on their carrier and then to my home airport. No standby... no ZED... just a guaranteed seat. Just a thought if I wanted to travel around while home on my block off.
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Old 03-23-2013 | 12:14 AM
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I always claim to be a Delta pilot when I call in to radio shows....
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Old 03-23-2013 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
Amazing. I'm listening to The Schnitt Show out of Tampa and there is a Southwest Captain who called in to the show and he is discussing CASS and jumpseat procedures.

How do you know it wasn't a Delta pilot pretending to be a SWA CA?
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Old 03-23-2013 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBigAir
Everybody needs to take a breath. The door didn't close, the parking brake didn't come off, some guy threw on a jacket with epaulets and somehow snuck up into the flight deck-- maybe the flight crew was there, maybe not, at some point before things got serious they get around to asking him questions, and booya, he's off the airplane and in cuffs. Our system works, this is a good time to just remember to always check the CASS and the required paperwork-- which we do all the time anyway. Case in point, today.
Exactly right. Thank you.

I saw one version of this story of this story on TV last night and the reporter, in describing the events, at one point said the first officer was there, but then "the real pilot [captain] came to the cockpit..." Us FOs don't get any respect!
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Old 03-24-2013 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Rolf
I always claim to be a Delta pilot when I call in to radio shows....
Originally Posted by UnderOveur
How do you know it wasn't a Delta pilot pretending to be a SWA CA?
First he sounded like a real tool. Schnitt asked him what airline he worked for. He kept avoiding the question. He then said he was a Captain on a 737. So Schnitt asked him a lot of questions about that. He was very well versed of items in the cockpit and how the jumpseat works.

Schnitt kept asking him about what airline. He mentioned something about red and blue painted airplanes. So Schnitt said, "Oh you must work for Delta." And he said, "Oh no no no, my company is the largest domestic airline in the US." Schnitt kept asking him what airline ... he refused.

So then Schnitt mentioned Air France and their airplanes. This CA said that Air France only operates an all Airbus fleet. Schnitt corrected him. In fact, that seemed to destroy his street cred. Then he told Schnitt, "My company started in the Southwest." And Schnitt said, "Oh you work for Southwest airlines." And the Captain was quick to say that he is not speaking officially for Southwest Airlines.

My only problem with the caller was that, regardless of where he worked (and he was Southwest), is that he detailed procedures and things that, although not "secret" information, didn't need to be said publicly.

All Delta pilots know that Air France fly Boeings too ... that's where the international code share is going.
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Old 03-24-2013 | 11:48 AM
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I knew I should have put a smiley. I actually agree with keeping procedures etc out of the media. Your nomination for totd stands.
I would argue that your first sentence describes 5% of every pilot group.
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Old 03-24-2013 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolf
I knew I should have put a smiley. I actually agree with keeping procedures etc out of the media. Your nomination for totd stands.
I would argue that your first sentence describes 5% of every pilot group.
I am very honored. Thank you!
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Old 03-25-2013 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rolf
I always claim to be a Delta pilot when I call in to radio shows....
We may actually hire this year. How much time you got?
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