Seriously.

http://www.tayloranderson.net/rocket...h_pvc_pipe.jpg

MMMkay:rolleyes:

There is no way this happens. You want to pay pilots more for higher productivity, I have no problem with that as long as it is safe and complies with the rules.

You want to pay people more based on some kind of net promotion score for the best PA or on-time performance now your getting too subjective or the company is promoting an unsafe environment. Before you know it people will be doing a song and dance while taxiing faster than the SWA guys (kidding).

This is ridiculous and if they truly want to try performance based pay, say hello to the ALPA cards.

Jetblue and the PVC
 

So do you guys think that the pilot group would cave on scope, given the example/history of the existing regional carriers?

Of course it would be stupid to cave about on scope, but 53% of Jetblue pilots are slow learners.

This is certainly a viable option, given the current pilot shortage.

Is not about caving. Much the like the FSM we don't really have a say. Absent a CBA all we can do us request individual arbitration and start the "3A" process all over which has taken over 3 years.

Scope isn't as large an issue, right now, as the domestic code share and premium time give back. JetBlue is keen on raising your pay provided you allow them to domestically code share and limit your ability to make extra money. Cost neutral is the goal.

JetBlue has no intent on giving you any say on scope or code sharing. Again, call your PVC and find out for yourself.

They already do. It's called "premium pay." The more hours you fly in a month (thus making you more productive) the more you get paid. If they start performance based pay, well, there are a LOT of things outside of our control that can affect that. I, for one, don't want to see my pay affected because we get ground stopped by ATC, the AO doesn't board us on time or a ramper is too slow loading bags.

Now, if they want to make it a BONUS program based on our performance numbers, sure. In fact, lots of other airlines have that.

The company has yet to show its cards in what they're offering. The drums are beating. I can see the ALPA smoke signals rising. We have to see what the offer and changes are first. If ALPA rolls in it will be post this negotiation and a CBA is still at least 3 years away. Not to mention 3 years of management v. Pilot pleasentries during the negotiation. I'm not saying this is a deterrent to ALPA, and if the company puts a steaming turd on the table in a few weeks its time to formally organize. It will be ugly that's for sure.

Exactly. After hearing the very vague Jeff Martin report from yesterday, management knows the next few months are going to be trying.