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If they put the giant turd on the table its too late. Get the cards and get in lab conditions now before they have the chance to take it all away.

Take what away? I thought we didn't have anything worth having in the first place?

What is all this code share talk? ALPA doesn't prevent codeshares. Delta, united, AA, Hawaiian, Alaska ALL have significant domestic and international codesharing.

I agree we need a CBA, but you are talking nonsense.

Incorrect. The last Delta contract put a limit on codesharing at least on international routes. I think they saw the writing on the wall when they realized the Delta 767 going from JFK-CDG were becoming Air France 777s via a code share. Hawaiian doesn't restrict code shares because most of them benefit THEM. Ours is a prime example. Why fly JFK-RDU or JFK-CLT when you can code share with jetBlue to do it and still just fly JFK-HNL? Your costs don't increase, but your revenue does. Alaska is more or less in the same situation.

Honestly, codeshare restrictions should be the next scope battle or we're all going to see a lot of the routes "American Carrier Airlines, operated by European Codeshare." We need code share resrictions here to keep us from going into an "alliance" type agreement with another domestic carrier(s) rather than "growing organically."

I disagree w/Eagle. It doesn't matter if the vote is tomorrow for ALPA. This PEA negotiation is already in motion. It's better to leverage the drive as a question mark, and not just say well, we're going union anyways so chop away at us.

That's a good point. DB has openly said he wants to code share with anyone for anything.

You need to read the 5 documents. Code sharing on international routes is allowed for a 2 year period at which the pilot group, via the PVC, is supposed to poll the pilots and gauge in continuing the code share.
Domestic there is no limit hence Hawaiian.

Lastly unions by name don't prevent code shares. Pilot groups with bargaining power do. JBPA won't have the resources to negotiate it. ALPA will have the resources made available to the JetBlue pilot group.
Talking nonsense? Seriously!

You need to read the 5 documents. Code sharing on international routes is allowed for a 2 year period at which the pilot group, via the PVC, is supposed to poll the pilots and gauge in continuing the code share.
Domestic there is no limit hence Hawaiian.

Lastly unions by name don't prevent code shares. Pilot groups with bargaining power do. JBPA won't have the resources to negotiate it. ALPA will have the resources made available to the JetBlue pilot group.
Talking nonsense? Seriously!

The only nonsense is JetBlue pilots who think management is protecting anything other than the bottom line at any cost.

Thanks for telling me nothing of any importance.

I said DL, UAL, AA, Alaska and Hawaiian all have significant codesharing. I also said ALPA doesn't prevent codesharing (read the first sentence again).

How are EITHER of those statements incorrect???

I want a CBA, but we WILL have codesharing in a CBA, just as EVERY other carrier (all union, most ALPA) that I named above.

You say "prevent code shares". You mean like DL, AA, UAL, Alaska and Hawaiian?

Yes, nonsense.

Limit it, maybe. Prevent it, NO WAY. You are full of SHI%%%%