Jetblue PAR email and a raise
 

If we don't get a raise, people will leave in droves.

That's what it comes down to. Management knows this as well they are just trying to negotiate with what few tools they have. Mention Scope and most pilots scare into conformity. Our PVC has to vote on any changes to do with scope so voice your opinion to your PVC rep.

What kind of raise do you guys think it'll take to get people to stick around?

20%/hr, 15% retirement without needing to match, and an increase in PTO by about 75% with alloted vacation slots throughout the year... I might stop updating DAL app if we started there... in yr6.

Conversation with two buds that are 320CA in yr 10 and 11 here, both are going back to AA and DAL respectively.

The way it is now a 30yr carreer will be the difference of about 5Million dollars if you end up at UAL, DAL, or AA vs. JB.

Awesome, that's two spots I move up and hopefully the message they send by leaving will be heard.

Easy question to answer.


Jetblue either brings A320 comp AND benefits all across the board in line with DAL or UAL or the mass exodus begins.


JJ

HOLD YOUR BREATH! (or don't)

2007 proved a 10% turnover rate. Things were tough and the airline was playing catchup for quite some time which forced the operation to suffer.

The industry is different now and much of the attrition will depend on hiring and not necessarily recall.

The big question remains where is Jetblues break even point. A captain or senior FO can result in 3 or 4 training slots. Even with new hire pay the training cost alone could outweigh the larger salary departure.

nice that there are good paying union jobs out there to choose from.....

I agree with what you are saying, but would like to add a few points about what they can and do take away. Reference the PPA (Pilot Protection Agreement). It clearly states that the PVC must give their consent to continue a code share. It also states that neither the PVC nor the company can base PEA changes (compensation) on the condition of code-share. Both of those are currently being ignored since the company wants full and total control of unlimited code-share with no PVC input, and the company has clearly stated on numerous occasions that in order for us to get a raise, we much allow unlimited code-share.

The PPA, which is part of the famous 5 documents that was pushed to the pilots about a year and a half ago, is being ignored. I'm not sure what they mean when they say they can't take away anything, while at the same time they are ignoring what limited protections we do have. Most guys signed the PPA having no clue what it said, and there were a few that read the "summary" provided by the company. The last person I flew with asked me what a PPA was! The company is taking (and has previously) taken advantage of the pilot's lack of knowledge related to the PEA, 5 documents, FSM, etc. Thankfully, at least now we have a PVC that is calling them out. Unfortunately, the PVC doesn't have too much of a leg to stand on other than informing the pilot group, which doesn't typically pay attention to their rights afforded under our so-called contracts.

Is the company still preaching "organic" growth?