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PILOTGUY 07-31-2013 02:52 AM

Delta CEO call for open skies in Japan
 
Delta CEO calls for open skies in Japan - Yahoo! Finance

For those who want to read.

aupilot 07-31-2013 07:29 AM

How dare a country protect it's own airlines and give them preferential treatment. I am pretty sure that if ATL was slot controlled and the Japanese airlines said we need more slots for expansion that Delta would be against the Japanese getting more slots. Also, who would want to fly Delta or United from Tokyo when the Asian airlines provide a far superior product.

Albief15 07-31-2013 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by aupilot (Post 1454855)
Also, who would want to fly Delta or United from Tokyo when the Asian airlines provide a far superior product.

Me.

First, I trust the Delta pilots with my life. I trust them when I send my kids out to join me skiing and they fly UM to join me on a layover.

Second, I see a value in protecting good, American jobs that pay a solid wage.

Third--I see a value in trying to keep the US the leader in all things aerospace. It helps create jobs. Having an aerospace nation means we have the people, resources, and infrastructure to prevail in combat if required. American airpower helped win WWII and has been our "force multiplier" in combat the last seventy years. A solid aerospace industry is vital to that, and our domestic airlines play a huge part in that as well.

Fourth--I've flown Delta to HKG, ATH, CDG, FRA, DXB, CGN, HNL, ANC, SCL, and a host of other cities around the globe. I've enjoyed their service, and the lie flat seats on the 777 are darn nice. The food and wine have been good. And the cabin crews were very nice.

So--I trust the pilots. I want to support the home team. I see a value in protecting and promoting American jobs at companies that ARE NOT SUBSIDIZED by their own government to create an uneven market.

I also have seen the KAL safety record. We have pictures at our company of some China Southern jets COVERED in snow that took off. We all saw the Asiana mishap over and over on TV. I'm not saying that these companies do not have some very professional crews, nor am I saying American pilots have not made mistakes too. But if you don't mind--my dollars are going to the home team, and my old military buddies, interview clients, and friends I've made along the way at Delta can plan on seeing my family there for a long time to come.

But hey...if the food is that good and that FA (that is NOT going to bang you, BTW...) is so important, enjoy your flight. I'll fly a sky team code-share when I have to, but will jumpseat on our own freighters to avoid flying on Emirates or Qatari.

If you want the rewards of our industry, you need to support OUR industry.

tsquare 07-31-2013 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by aupilot (Post 1454855)
How dare a country protect it's own airlines and give them preferential treatment. I am pretty sure that if ATL was slot controlled and the Japanese airlines said we need more slots for expansion that Delta would be against the Japanese getting more slots. Also, who would want to fly Delta or United from Tokyo when the Asian airlines provide a far superior product.


Agreed. If the US Government cared one iota about American business, they would protect us too. They don't other than to tax them to death. Nd as you said.... if.

And the "product" is a great reason to make these decisions.:rolleyes:

God forbid American companies should have a level playing field.

hypocrite

aupilot 07-31-2013 08:51 AM

I am all for supporting U.S. products but not to the extent where I am using an inferior product. My experiences with customer service have been far better on the Asian and European airlines and until the U.S. airlines improve their product I will continue to choose other airlines if given the choice.

I am not trying to bang the flight attendants and yes, the food, drink, and amenities are that important when flying business class.

As far as safety, there are Asian airlines that I will not fly just like there are some U.S. airlines that I refuse to fly.

Rudder 07-31-2013 10:31 AM

"Far superior product" as long as it does not include a visual approach, then not so much.

tsquare 07-31-2013 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by aupilot (Post 1454925)
I am all for supporting U.S. products but not to the extent where I am using an inferior product. My experiences with customer service have been far better on the Asian and European airlines and until the U.S. airlines improve their product I will continue to choose other airlines if given the choice.

I am not trying to bang the flight attendants and yes, the food, drink, and amenities are that important when flying business class.

As far as safety, there are Asian airlines that I will not fly just like there are some U.S. airlines that I refuse to fly.

Then you better not ***** at all when cabotage becomes a reality. Enjoy flying the raghead airlines from LAX to JFK, and those that will be unemployed here in the USA as a result will thank you. But at least you will have "superior service". You make me sick.

Grumble 07-31-2013 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Rudder (Post 1455007)
"Far superior product" as long as it does not include a visual approach, then not so much.

Talked to a Boeing 777 IP who was in Korea "recently" on contract for Asiana. Gave the student (left seat) a 10 knot crosswind and failed whatever autopilot mode forced him to hand fly the airplane. He said after SIX laps around the pattern he finally failed the student. Turns out the student was the Chief Pilot. Said IP's Visa was revoked the next day.

I'm with Albie 100%.

Bucking Bar 07-31-2013 11:55 AM

Lets get back on topic, please
 
Was anyone else confused by just what Mr. Anderson is referring to?

I mean, the DOT stated they had reached an "Open Skies" deal with Japan in December 2009.

This article helps clear things up:

Originally Posted by Routes News
Richard Anderson, CEO of Delta Air Lines, is after slots at Tokyo’s Haneda Airport to enable a move from Narita.

At a press conference in Tokyo today, Anderson accused Japan of unfairly favouring local carriers that can fly from Haneda (HND).

Haneda is only 16km from the city, while Narita (NRT) is about 68km away, which hands an advantage to airlines such as JAL and ANA, especially for business travel, he said.

"The government is engaging in protectionism," he reportedly told the news conference.

Delta wants 25 slots at Haneda, said Anderson.

Expansion work, which would add daytime slots for long-haul flights at Haneda, is due to complete in March 2014.

Currently, Delta operates 22 flights a day at Narita and also flies from Haneda to Los Angeles (LAX) and Seattle (SEA), although at timings considered unsuited for business travellers.

US carriers including Delta and American Airlines were given a few slots at Haneda in 2010 under an easing of air traffic restrictions between the US and Japan.

But Anderson called for further liberalisation.

"We look forward to the Japanese government opening up the skies, because we do not have Open Skies in Japan right now," he reportedly said.


Flyby1206 07-31-2013 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1455058)
Was anyone else confused by just what Mr. Anderson is referring to?

I mean, the DOT stated they had reached an "Open Skies" deal with Japan in December 2009.

This article helps clear things up:

My understanding is that there is an open skies agreement, but the airport is still slot controlled. Similar to JFK.


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