Jetblue movement...
 

Just curious if any guys with 1-5 years of seniority at JB are committed to leaving for a legacy?

Oops, I misunderstood the title. I was going to say "Yes, I just had one of those."

You know I am a little torn, if everyone leaves like they are saying I might be a bus captain next week.

But I think you have to consider all options. The airline game has changed I just hope the guys at lsc are ready to pay up.

History has the answer to that. During the last hiring wave, JetBlue lost over 150 Pilots which represented 10% of the Pilot group at that time. This just doesnt happen at other Majors!

I believe hundreds will leave soon. Hiring has only just started and already guys are bailing. Many see JB as a stepping stone.


Trent.

Lots of growth coming soon I hear.

Care to share?

If we start talking hundreds the whole airline would crash.
We can't drop that many guys and still take all these new planes.
I think they know that and that is why I am sure we will see a raise.
People will leave anyway but they can't afford hundreds of guys leaving. Other than getting a union, that many leaving would def put pressure on mgt to fix things.

Free beer tomorrow! ;)

Supplemental bid is coming out since lots of AA/DL guys are taking recall lately, but as far as changes to the growth plan I haven't heard many rumors

The company has stated many times that they want us to remain 20% cheaper than the industry average. So we will never be on the same level as AA/DL/UA/WN/etc in terms if pay/benefits. That explains why there is movement here

The easiest and most effective way for the legacies to put the hurt on JetBlue is to hire their Pilots. And, it benefits all three to do just that. Plus, JetBlue guys are more experienced than most RJ drivers so it makes perfect sense.

Watch this space!

Trent

Heard that 30 guys have a return date for Delta in October , for us to loose 30 captains in 1 month will cause quite the chaos .....RSA galore !

I always appreciate a bump (in this context)! Nice!

It's 40, heard that from a CP about a week ago. He said 30 Bus Captains and 10 190 Captains. The one that I am friends with said they have to be available to start in November.

When is the supplemental bid supposed to be available

What is a supplemental bid?

Supplements the quarterly system bids.

System bid that comes out when the company fails to properly staff the airline. If 450s numbers are correct, that means another 80 fo's on top of what was planned for the year will be needed by the holidays.

The flood gates are slowly opening!

Good luck dudes

No supplemental bid.......what a clown show they are....we are completely short right now. They are desperate trying to find guys to fly and we are now losing 100+ by the end of November? No one in the pipeline to replace these guys? This feel good social experiment has failed

Yeah, when did you hear that? I too have heard the supplemental bid from all over

100+??? Please explain...

I heard it was 200,,, my buddy's friend at 31 Flavors heard that. :-)

Bueller? Bueller?

There are approximately 40 DAL who are scheduled to return. 17 have left thus far for various other airlines or corporate positions. The number is out on the AA returns going forward. Based on industry hiring the number could reach 100 this year. Time will tell.

While it speaks volumes of JetBlue you must remember this is a business. Despite all the talk and emails about culture and NPS your compensation,benefits package and protections tell the real story.

I cannot speak to specifics when it comes to JetBlue, but if the legacy airlines are going to hire like the 'experts' are predicting over the next few years, the compensation model at companies like JetBlue and Virgin America is going to have to change. If not they risk becoming type rating training programs for the legacy carriers. I know Virgin America does not have the money, simulator space and other resources available to handle constant hiring during a period of zero growth, which is the situation we are in right now.

As of June 1st 23 had left for various reasons 17 of which were UAL recalls or poolies. So the number has to be greater by now. The rest sounds correct. These numbers where shown to me by the BOS CP office.

This should not come as a surprise to anyone. JetBlue is NOT a career Airline.



Trent

Maybe not for some but it is for others. I see your perspective but also see the other side of that coin. 5-6 years ago things looked a lot different and in 5 or 6 years from now things will also look alot different. I was in the UAL pool and turned them down in November when they asked. My friends at UAL that started in th late 90's have spent more time unemployed than employed. I choose to stay with the company that has never had a pilot in the unemployment line, plus the base selection at JB fits me very well. Yes we need a CBA. Are we a career airline? That is a matter of perspective.

I'm curious to see what the training will look like after the DAL pilots return. Considering the majority of those pilots are captains each departure accounts for 3-4 potential training slots. Interesting indeed.

Yea and all the new planes on top of that.....yikes.

It feels like there's another step added into everyone's careers.

You start at a regional, get hired on at an LCC/ULCC for the type, then move on to the legacies....SMH.

Except JetBlue doesn't type you initially.

JetBlue is like that friend you had growing up. Always fun to be around but never when you need something. Wanna party, he's there. Need help with anything else, sorry.

They have to type you initially now - effective August first all of the airlines do.

Jetblue movement...
 

Did you take a class Zap?

I believe you will receive an SIC type rating.

I think after July 31st all newhires are typed. The wording in the new regs looks like any 121 airline has to type new-hires. Please correct if Im :confused:wrong guys.

Jetblue movement...
 

Well, they have until what, 2016 to get everyone typed who has an SIC, right? I'm not sure if they can keep issuing SICs after August though.

My understanding is that all new hires after August 2016 have to get a PIC type. All those on property prior to that have until 2016b to get the PIC type.

There's a paragraph that states something about new-hires needing a pic type if hired at a 121 after July 31, 2013. It is a little ambiguous but another guy on here posted it and that's where i first saw it. I am by no means arguing with anyone over wording in an FAA document. lol.

Jetblue movement...
 

http://www.alpa.org/portals/alpa/1500Rule/

The short version
"Beginning Aug. 1, 2013, to be a copilot for a U.S. FAR Part 121 airline, you’ll have to hold an ATP or a “restricted” ATP certificate. All airline pilots may have to hold a first class airman medical certificate (but ALPA has filed a Petition for Exemption with the FAA to allow first officers to continue to fly on a second class airman medical certificate).

First officers also will be type-rated in the aircraft they intend to fly in FAR Part 121 service. "

http://www.alpa.org/portals/alpa/1500Rule/FinalRule.pdf

(Airlines have until 2016 to type existing employees)

Did Zap just quote an ALPA source? Uh oh!

That's like kryptonite for many of you.