We're supposed to let the British start an cheap airline in America and the British won't even allow my airline into Heathrow. That's fair.

I thought the pay sounded good, until someone mentioned that it is CA pay. I thought it was FO pay. I hope this thing doesn't get off the ground.

Then they should know better!

Rigs usually mean "duty rigs". Example= 1 hour of flight pay for every 4 hours on duty. Gives the airline the incentive to use their crews more efficiently. If you fly 5 hours in a duty period, you get paid for 5. if you only fly 2 hours, you still get paid for 4.

Strange, UAL pilots in JFK had the same personality disorder that you suffer from. Their JS coordinater put a pretty good stop to it if I remember correctly.

Maybe when you deny a B6 guy a ride, yours JS will do the same.

Oh yeah, being a professional proabably won't hurt you either.

Just curious, who do you work for by chance? If it's CAL, I would think that you have bigger issues with people in your own house who have dragged the industry down. You wouldn't have to go outside the company to exhibit your charismatically challenged persona.

Most of them are going in as intial cadre check airman. I'm sure their compensation package will be above the advertised rate.

What would you do if you were over 50? Apply to CAL and wait for the crappy 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year pay to catch up? And that's at YOUR 4th year wide rate.

Most of these guys were maxed out on the CRJ pay scales and made more than a 5 year wide FO at CAL would make. Note, I said CRJ rate. When they went to the Airbus I can bet you they were making just as much, if not more, than a 3rd year CAL narrow CA makes.

So, I'll ask again, if you were over 50 and had to start over again watched your company go down the drain, and were worried about your retirement, what exactly would you do?

Start at the botton of some airline with crappy pay and no insurance for 6 months, or take a job as a CA and a MUCH higher pay rate?

It's OK, you don't really need to answer.

so what's going to happen in 6 years and you don't upgrade to captain right away at virgin and there is even worse fo pay then there is now?

ps explain to me why Velocipede is such a bad guy for not offering these guys rides? he's only trying to protect his flying/job from someone who is trying to undercut his pay. sorry that these guys lost their jobs a indy air but why should he help in the race to the bottom. If these airlines came in with equal pay and out performed his airline I bet he would allow them to catch a ride.

Eric, read my post again. I'm not talking about everybody that goes to work there. I'm talking about the former I-Air guys that are going over as CA's already. They guys that CALCAPT said "should know better", as he put it.

Now read my post again, seriously, read it again because you really had a reading/comprehension problem the first time.

And as far as denying a guy a ride. Don't even go there. Call your JS coordinator. See what he has to say about this practice, and then get back to me, OK?

I like how you have to compare CAL's Fo pay with thier CA pay. Besides a third year CAL pilot can hold CA at a much higher rate. Are you saying these pilots should also cross a picket line because they are older and are used to more money? Starting over sucks, but so does lowering the standard for our industry.

You work at a company that has more than it's share of that type that lowered the standard in our industry. Whats your point? Do you get in their face and tell them that in the crew room? Do you walk up to every JetBlue pilot and tell them that? How about every Frontier, Airtran, or Spirit pilot?

Besides, if you were over 50, like I said, what would you do? Say to yourself "screw my family, kids, house, wife, my CA's seat, and the 6 figure income. I'm going to go to CAL so I can make 30k the first year, and when I'm 55 I might be making what I was when I-Air folded. All because I wanna "hold the line" and not "lower the standard of the industry."

And no, I don't agree with scabbing. In case you haven't noticed yet, these guys haven't crossed a picket line.

you're saying that it is ok for the first few but not the others because they will get check airmen pay? I read your post and it's not that difficult of a read.

as far as the my jumpseat coordinator goes that's funny. My former MEC chairman had us denying gojets for what they were doing. unfortunately he moved on and the new one didn't pass on that info to the new captains. I'm not worried what the JS coordinator would say. why don't you go and ask a cal or southwest pilot about a jumpseat war that happened in the past about how slow cal pilots were flying at one time (late 80's/early 90's)