Indigo buys F9....
10-01-2013 | 09:42 AM
#12
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Thank you everybody for your well wishes, as we (F9) begin our separation process from the epic failure of the RAH experiment. The Republic regional companies will do just fine as they go back to what they know in the CPA business, and hopefully if Indigo can emulate what they've done at Spirit, Ryan, Volaris and others, Frontier should do well...although it won't be easy for us (employees).
Indigo will be essentially beginning this process with Frontier at a size and scope that Spirit is now after their IPO. If Frontier takes the same tack, it will be much larger after its eventual IPO. The icing on the cake will be if Frontier can keep some semblance of its good service reputation through it all, it appears that was the casualty at Spirit unfortunately.
Indigo will be essentially beginning this process with Frontier at a size and scope that Spirit is now after their IPO. If Frontier takes the same tack, it will be much larger after its eventual IPO. The icing on the cake will be if Frontier can keep some semblance of its good service reputation through it all, it appears that was the casualty at Spirit unfortunately.
10-01-2013 | 10:07 AM
#13
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The toonsters deserve a good boot to the face. I guess a kick to the butt is just as good. F9 is facing a massive change for the better. Toonster land is the one that should be worried.
That irrelevant IMSL means nothing to anyone except the toonsters in their fantasyland.
That irrelevant IMSL means nothing to anyone except the toonsters in their fantasyland.
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10-01-2013 | 11:07 AM
#14
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Press Release:
Tuesday, October 1, 2013
INDIGO AND REPUBLIC NEGOTIATE WITH WRONG PILOT UNION FOR FRONTIER SALE
“Frontier pilots are and will continue to be represented by the IBT and Local 357,” said Moffatt. “It is in all of our members’ best interest that Frontier pilots are legally and fairly represented in any agreement between the companies.”
There is NO ONE at Frontier that believes 357 or the IBT has the Frontier pilot's "best interest[s]" at heart. It's far past the time to drop the facade of 357, as a whole, wanting to do anything but kill Frontier off and put their pilots on the street.
I cannot imagine how this doesn't end up in a DFR suit.
In 2+ years, 357 has made NO progress with FOUR Articles of their CBA, except to hold two picketing events (which approximately SIXTEEN pilots showed up for), visit Capitol Hill and hold votes, first the strike vote, then the "Wayne Heller No Confidence Vote."
They have spent all their time and an enormous amount of resources filing frivolous lawsuits attempting to block any progress at Frontier, trying to fire pilots that are delinquent on dues (while they have ~300 "native RAH" pilots in the same boat) and doing nothing to support the Frontier pilots they claim to "represent."
For months now, I've been trying to figure out - Why does 357 and the IBT care SO much about keeping the Frontier pilots hostage?
Why do they want to throw money away by attacking a pilot group that has clearly shown they want nothing to do with the IBT?
What does 357 or the IBT have to gain that they care this much?
It took them over two years to finally get just two pilots from Frontier willing to join the IBT AND willing to sit on the System Board of Adjustment, and they ended up with rather questionable members of the pilot group after two years of trying.
I guess I have to thank 357 and the IBT in preparing me for the level of corruption, incompetence and total lack of awareness of their "constituents" needs and desires demonstrated by the US government in this shutdown...
Tuesday, October 1, 2013
INDIGO AND REPUBLIC NEGOTIATE WITH WRONG PILOT UNION FOR FRONTIER SALE
“Frontier pilots are and will continue to be represented by the IBT and Local 357,” said Moffatt. “It is in all of our members’ best interest that Frontier pilots are legally and fairly represented in any agreement between the companies.”
There is NO ONE at Frontier that believes 357 or the IBT has the Frontier pilot's "best interest[s]" at heart. It's far past the time to drop the facade of 357, as a whole, wanting to do anything but kill Frontier off and put their pilots on the street.
I cannot imagine how this doesn't end up in a DFR suit.
In 2+ years, 357 has made NO progress with FOUR Articles of their CBA, except to hold two picketing events (which approximately SIXTEEN pilots showed up for), visit Capitol Hill and hold votes, first the strike vote, then the "Wayne Heller No Confidence Vote."
They have spent all their time and an enormous amount of resources filing frivolous lawsuits attempting to block any progress at Frontier, trying to fire pilots that are delinquent on dues (while they have ~300 "native RAH" pilots in the same boat) and doing nothing to support the Frontier pilots they claim to "represent."
For months now, I've been trying to figure out - Why does 357 and the IBT care SO much about keeping the Frontier pilots hostage?
Why do they want to throw money away by attacking a pilot group that has clearly shown they want nothing to do with the IBT?
What does 357 or the IBT have to gain that they care this much?
It took them over two years to finally get just two pilots from Frontier willing to join the IBT AND willing to sit on the System Board of Adjustment, and they ended up with rather questionable members of the pilot group after two years of trying.
I guess I have to thank 357 and the IBT in preparing me for the level of corruption, incompetence and total lack of awareness of their "constituents" needs and desires demonstrated by the US government in this shutdown...
10-01-2013 | 12:32 PM
#17
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Press Release:
Tuesday, October 1, 2013
INDIGO AND REPUBLIC NEGOTIATE WITH WRONG PILOT UNION FOR FRONTIER SALE
“Frontier pilots are and will continue to be represented by the IBT and Local 357,” said Moffatt. “It is in all of our members’ best interest that Frontier pilots are legally and fairly represented in any agreement between the companies.”
There is NO ONE at Frontier that believes 357 or the IBT has the Frontier pilot's "best interest[s]" at heart. It's far past the time to drop the facade of 357, as a whole, wanting to do anything but kill Frontier off and put their pilots on the street.
I cannot imagine how this doesn't end up in a DFR suit.
In 2+ years, 357 has made NO progress with FOUR Articles of their CBA, except to hold two picketing events (which approximately SIXTEEN pilots showed up for), visit Capitol Hill and hold votes, first the strike vote, then the "Wayne Heller No Confidence Vote."
They have spent all their time and an enormous amount of resources filing frivolous lawsuits attempting to block any progress at Frontier, trying to fire pilots that are delinquent on dues (while they have ~300 "native RAH" pilots in the same boat) and doing nothing to support the Frontier pilots they claim to "represent."
For months now, I've been trying to figure out - Why does 357 and the IBT care SO much about keeping the Frontier pilots hostage?
Why do they want to throw money away by attacking a pilot group that has clearly shown they want nothing to do with the IBT?
What does 357 or the IBT have to gain that they care this much?
It took them over two years to finally get just two pilots from Frontier willing to join the IBT AND willing to sit on the System Board of Adjustment, and they ended up with rather questionable members of the pilot group after two years of trying.
I guess I have to thank 357 and the IBT in preparing me for the level of corruption, incompetence and total lack of awareness of their "constituents" needs and desires demonstrated by the US government in this shutdown...
Tuesday, October 1, 2013
INDIGO AND REPUBLIC NEGOTIATE WITH WRONG PILOT UNION FOR FRONTIER SALE
“Frontier pilots are and will continue to be represented by the IBT and Local 357,” said Moffatt. “It is in all of our members’ best interest that Frontier pilots are legally and fairly represented in any agreement between the companies.”
There is NO ONE at Frontier that believes 357 or the IBT has the Frontier pilot's "best interest[s]" at heart. It's far past the time to drop the facade of 357, as a whole, wanting to do anything but kill Frontier off and put their pilots on the street.
I cannot imagine how this doesn't end up in a DFR suit.
In 2+ years, 357 has made NO progress with FOUR Articles of their CBA, except to hold two picketing events (which approximately SIXTEEN pilots showed up for), visit Capitol Hill and hold votes, first the strike vote, then the "Wayne Heller No Confidence Vote."
They have spent all their time and an enormous amount of resources filing frivolous lawsuits attempting to block any progress at Frontier, trying to fire pilots that are delinquent on dues (while they have ~300 "native RAH" pilots in the same boat) and doing nothing to support the Frontier pilots they claim to "represent."
For months now, I've been trying to figure out - Why does 357 and the IBT care SO much about keeping the Frontier pilots hostage?
Why do they want to throw money away by attacking a pilot group that has clearly shown they want nothing to do with the IBT?
What does 357 or the IBT have to gain that they care this much?
It took them over two years to finally get just two pilots from Frontier willing to join the IBT AND willing to sit on the System Board of Adjustment, and they ended up with rather questionable members of the pilot group after two years of trying.
I guess I have to thank 357 and the IBT in preparing me for the level of corruption, incompetence and total lack of awareness of their "constituents" needs and desires demonstrated by the US government in this shutdown...
10-01-2013 | 12:45 PM
#18
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Questions, maybe dumb questions, but:
(1) What happens to Republic's 40 Firm and 40 Options for the C Series which many assumed were headed to Frontier since they would not be operable under any existing CPAs Republic has?
(2) Would Frontier pilots be an alter ego for Spirit? Given that Spirit struck, might management be angling to replace them with an alter ego alternative? (hope not)
Hope everything works out well for all involved.
(1) What happens to Republic's 40 Firm and 40 Options for the C Series which many assumed were headed to Frontier since they would not be operable under any existing CPAs Republic has?
(2) Would Frontier pilots be an alter ego for Spirit? Given that Spirit struck, might management be angling to replace them with an alter ego alternative? (hope not)
Hope everything works out well for all involved.
10-01-2013 | 01:51 PM
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Franke sold all of his Spirit shares and stepped down from the board. He no longer has anything to do with Spirit, so thankfully. No whipsaw, at least not yet.........
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