Sideshow Bob

Perhaps it should be dubbed the Jet Blue Syndrome. On other threads, there is at least one room temperature IQ JB type who apparently got furloughed from AA, and is so myopically bitter that he actually believes that unions in general were to blame for his furlough, and that now he and JB are going to set the world on fire. On this forum are also a large number of pudknockers who aren't even real pilots to begin with, and would likely pay JB for the privilidge of lining management's wallets. Don't gauge the pilot population based on the stuttering of morons and wannabe pudknockers who work in cubicle jobs for putz money and then try and act like real pilots on a pilot forum.

Spongebob

They'll be on an Air Force 757 with a stop in Alaska for "crab fishing fact finding".

B757200ER

Understandable; you should have 'pay protection' for lost hours that were awarded----that's only fair.

But, your statement "We are not accepting new aircraft like CO and DL" is a little mis-leading. First, AA has almost 700 mainline jets, while DL and CO are approximately 400. AA has a higher market share in most int'l markets, too. And, AA has 54 B-777s to fly any new Asia routes. CO only has 18 777s and DL only 8. Nowhere NEAR the long-haul WB lift AA has for additional Asia flights. And, AA is getting rid of 16 fairly new P&W/ETOPS (ex-TWA) B-757s, which DL has leased from ILFC, for additional ATL/CVG/JFK-Europe flying. As any layman could observe, any mainline jets leaving AA are NOT going to be replaced anytime soon, and why in the world AA would allow competitors to lease these low-time jets is beyond me.

And lastly, I'm sure AA management does not consider those extra items you mentioned APA wanted attached to the China route award 'no-cost'. EVERYthing is 'cost' to AA.

NGINEWHOISWHAT

Sir,

Do you know if Delta is getting all 16 of those jets? Thanks in advance.

aa73

Yeah... revised boarding priority for pilots and the possibility to use F/A jumpseats if they're empty. Wow, what a cost! It'll bankrupt the Co for sure. The only "cost" item was free internet use for the PEK crews.

B757200ER

'Cost' doesn't necessarily mean money to your managers; it could be that tangible things are worth something to them, and they just won't negotiate regarding them. That F/A j/s thing sounds like a can of worms, but I don't see why a pilot can't use it when empty. Typical response, that's all I can say.

Regarding ex-TWA 757s going from AA to DL: I know 11 are going to DL for sure, as reported by SpeedNews, but all 16 could be eventually.

aa73

Understood, the FA j/s thing was approached the wrong way. The APA shoudl have gone to APFA first to discuss it. But to most of us, the pay protection thing was the most important of all. Huge pay hit for our FOs and CAs if their sequence cancelled!

The TWA birds were fine machines and relatively new, but we've known since '03 that the Co would try and get rid of them (high leases.) After these, it's looking like AA is done shrinking.

73

Tinpusher007

Small nitpick here...AA has 45 777's, not 54.

B757200ER

Actually my JP Airline Fleets '06 (And SpeedNews, www.airfleets.com) says they have 47, with 7 on order, so I mistakenly included the (7) future orders as already delivered (54). STILL a glaring difference bwtween AA and CO/DL, wouldn't you say?

CVG767A

I think Delta was outbid on two of them, but the rest are coming our way.