Originally Posted by corndog6

Are you telling me the mec is so messed up they approved a bypass without verifying it?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

This thread leads me to the realization that it has been too long since I rebuilt a carburetor in the kitchen sink.

FWIW, the results show exactly what I suggested would happen. The initial negative effort from Tim O'Malley's camp energized Schnitzler's base. Schnitzler received more votes than were cast for Captan Hazard. Overall, there were fewer votes in the Captain's race.

A couple of old political science "rules" come to mind:

• Negative Campaigns via proxy are ineffective. The Candidate has to take ownership
• Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt are most effective to an uninformed electorate

It is my hope and expectation these professionals learned something from the experience and we pilots will support our Reps (who by definition, support us).

Originally Posted by hitimefurl

Oh you "checked with your reps". Not a long distance call, I trust?

It's actually common knowledge that he lives in SAN.

Anyway, apparently you asked Bill if he was lying and you accepted his answer at face value. I spent 10 minutes on Google and other search engines. Are we expected to believe he owns that $800K mansion in the hills by SAN and his wife lives there, but he stays at that little $10K bungalow in MI?

Besides which, prior to being bumped out of MSP320A, he never claimed to live anywhere but CA.

(Imagine being displaced from A320 to 7ER)

When he does lounge visits in DTW does he get a hotel?
When he commutes to work in NYC is he flying from SAN or DTW?
When he goes to MEC meetings is he originating in SAN or DTW?

When he files expense reports for the union, are they predicated on a SAN residence or DTW?

If all that stuff doesn't match the story, doesn't he have something to explain?

Your description of a bypass being in place for a long time doesn't make sense either.

If you get a bypass because you decide to commute to ATL for a while (or are displaced) and you eventually come back to DTW, then the bypass is over. Once your base and your council "sync up" you are not bypassing. A couple years later, if you decided to commute to MSP, then you have to ask for a new bypass. Each time you ask for a bypass, you are attesting to the fact that you know the rules and you qualify for bypass under those rules. As a former ALPA Exec VP and a guy who has been a rep a couple times before, I think BB should know the rules. If he requested a bypass and nobody verified his situation, he's the one at fault, not the MEC.

And I really don't expect the union to get into hiring a private investigator every time someone asks for a bypass. The system is designed to assume we are honest men. Unfortunately, that leaves us open to exploitation by the less honest amongst us.

Originally Posted by bigbusdriver

I'm not discrediting Bill any less than the whole MEC. They do have a duty of due diligence. They should watch over this stuff. But I imagine a lot of people have been displaced over the years. The pre-bankruptcy exodus, the merger, etc. Probably thousands of guys & gals moving all around.

Sadly, most probably don't care enough about being involved in their union to request a bypass. In the cases where people do request bypass, the inclination is probably towards "Oh thank goodness, someone cares enough and they want to be able to participate at local meetings or whatever." Their first inclination isn't suspicion.

But when someone is committing fraud, that's corruption and I don't like it. I don't support throwing out the whole union when there is fraud or corruption. I support fixing it.

So Clamp, if I am right and there is fraud/corruption, you don't support fixing it? Is that what you're saying?

It seems anyone who questions the Detroit Pilots Association is automatically labeled by you as a DALPA plant. I view this as a sophomoric attempt to obfuscate the issue. Why don't you debate the facts?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

This thread leads me to the realization that it has been too long since I rebuilt a carburetor in the kitchen sink.

FWIW, the results show exactly what I suggested would happen. The initial negative effort from Tim O'Malley's camp energized Schnitzler's base. Schnitzler received more votes than were cast for Captan Hazard. Overall, there were fewer votes in the Captain's race.


A couple of old political science "rules" come to mind:

• Negative Campaigns via proxy are ineffective. The Candidate has to take ownership
• Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt are most effective to an uninformed electorate

It is my hope and expectation these professionals learned something from the experience and we pilots will support our Reps (who by definition, support us).

Originally Posted by NuGuy

To answer furl's questions, every time I've seen CA Bartels at a union event, whether it's a meeting or lounge visit, he comes from home....that is DTW. Why would he get a hotel? It's a 20 minute drive home for him.

Ran into him today, as a matter of fact...heading to ATL for the MEC meeting...from...you guessed it DTW.

If you're mad because of something else, maybe if you share it, that would give us all a better context for your complaints. Maybe you'll find someone who agrees with you . The internet is good for that.

Otherwise, I would suggest if you have a specific accusation, then make it. I'm certain that it will be examined and given the credit that is due.

Nu

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Bigbusdriver seems all about smearing people personally with whom he disagrees, or being the smear proxy for somebody else who doesn't want to be attached to the smear.

Originally Posted by tsquare

R O T F L M A O.... pot... kettle....