Delta 777 and 747 fences
 

Will someone post the language associated with these fences? Thanks.

Why? You going to bid it?

I believe the fences come down Jan. 1 of 2015, not 2014, so you've got a year to google the arbitrator's decision and try to decipher it. Something about 'unfilled, unbid slots' will then be filled by either N/S group...but I haven't seen any A/E's to either the 777/747 in quite a while, despite the retirements off of both. The only way in is through a displacement.

Junior 747 CA... 28 years
Junior 747 FO... 15 years

Junior 777 CA... 25 years (DTW)
Junior 777 FO... 15 years (DTW)

Those numbers are totally useless.

More accurately:

Junior 744B = 69%
Junior 777B (DTW) = 56%

Here you go:

4. For the period of five (5) years beginning with the first bid period after the

issuance of the Single Operating Certificate (SOC), no pre-merger

Northwest pilot may be awarded or displaced to a vacancy on a B777

aircraft or category and no pre-merger Delta pilot may be awarded or

displaced to a B787 or B747 vacancy.

5. Should the merged company take delivery of any aircraft which is/are a

replacement of any aircraft covered by Paragraph 4., the captain positions

and, as applicable, the first officer positions on each such replacement

aircraft will be allocated in accordance with the Paragraph 4. restrictions

on the type it is replacing.

6. Paragraph 4. shall expire on the fifth (5th) anniversary of the SOC. Any

bid awards or displacements effective after that date will not be subject to

this restriction.

7. If there are insufficient bidders from one pre-merger pilot group for a

posted or contingent vacancy on one side of the fence during the period

covered by Paragraph 4., unfilled vacancies may be filled by pilots from the

other pre-merger airline.

8. A pilot awarded a position (via an AE, MD or VD) to a category as a result

of insufficient bidders will, for the purposes of processing future

displacements in accordance with Section 22 F. of the JCBA, be considered

as junior to all pilots from the pre-merger pilot group that was entitled to

that category.


FYI: The 5th anniversary of Single Operating Certificate (SOC) is Jan. 1, 2015

Numbers you can use. All cats are DTW except as noted, and for the December seniority list for the most junior on each airplane.

747A 1932
777A 1428 (ATL)
747B 7975
777B 7623

Relative Seniority:
747 CA 17% of (11,700)
747 FO 73%

777 CA 14%
777 FO 65%

I think showing how many years on property the bottom pilot in a category has accrued illustrates just how senior these airplanes are. Most of us understand that it's a snapshot and that as attrition, transitions, displacements, growth and recruitment occur the picture will be ever changing. For someone outside, showing relative seniority (I think) doesn't convey as much. To each their own.

If you say so. Of course we have merged several different groups over the years that hired at different times making YOS/DOH a totally invalid measurement. And I would take exception to the contention that these airplanes are really senior. I'll wager that the lowest FOs better hope that they do not get displaced when the fences come down, because none will see lineholder status for a long long time...

You would take exception to the contention...? Not following you, Bubba. Are you saying you uphold the argument that these airplanes are senior because when the fences are lifted, more displacements will occur? If that's the case, I agree. Especially if the whale moves to ATL.