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Old 12-08-2013 | 05:56 PM
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At air Wisconsin every FO got a line check with the FO as flying pilot every 3 months until they reached a certain amount of hours. I believe that has changed now that we have AQP. But this was standard.
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Old 12-08-2013 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Expat87
One more question on this. It was only myself and the check captain on the flight deck and he said I needed more training.

Bottom line- Should I put this down as a failure on apps? Or am I shooting myself in the foot by saying it was a "training failure"?

I don't want to be dishonest and hauled out of ground school one day for omitting this on an app.
Request a copy of your PRIA records. If there was a training failure, it will be in there as a Unsat. The new airline WILL get a copy of this before or while you are in training. If it's a check ride failure prior to airline where the FAA has a record or it's on your PRIA.....admit to it beforehand or risk being fired.
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Old 12-08-2013 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
Your a joke. I'd rather fly with that kid than u. He didn't "raise the bar" like u. Ur a joke unfortunately, no clue who u fly for and couldn't care less.
Lighten up Francis. Take your (notice I understand the English vernacular regarding your vs you're) twitter style of speech somewhere else.
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Old 12-08-2013 | 06:34 PM
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As to the OP, find out if it is in your FAA records. If so, just wait for the call, which will eventually come, and then own up to it with a "I learned X" story.

I flew a trip last month at UAL with one of the captains doing interviews and was told they have the ability to keep the bar very high for now given that they are the big hiring airline right now.
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Old 12-09-2013 | 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 130drvr
... was told they have the ability to keep the bar very high for now given that they are the big hiring airline right now.
I agree, they can. But failing a checkride does not mean not getting a call, even right now. It all depends on the rest of the package. One can argue that an experienced military IP/EP, or a civilian pilot with international flying experience and a solid education with one failed check is more marketable than a pilot with a perfect record, but with the bare minimum and nothing else to offer. I can say this because I had a glitch in training once and I happen to be swimming in the DAL pool right now. Again, I strongly believe that there is a misconception about training records. They look at trends, and not isolated events. They look at the whole package, and above all, like you said, they want to see if, and how you can learn from your mistakes. Imperfections need not be demonized. Finally, let us all be honest with each other. Many pilots have perfect records, but most don't.
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Old 12-09-2013 | 02:12 AM
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I think the more likely cause is you said you started at a regional in 2010 and left after a year. You now have 1200 in a 737. So ~600 hours at the regional plus the 1200 is only 1800 part 121.

Unless you were prior military or started at the regional with 4000tt I'd say your experience is why you aren't getting called, not the line check.

If not...like others have said, I wouldn't sweat a single line check failure.

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Old 12-09-2013 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
I think the more likely cause is you said you started at a regional in 2010 and left after a year. You now have 1200 in a 737. So ~600 hours at the regional plus the 1200 is only 1800 part 121.

Unless you were prior military or started at the regional with 4000tt I'd say your experience is why you aren't getting called, not the line check.

If not...like others have said, I wouldn't sweat a single line check failure.
Absolutely yes!
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Old 12-09-2013 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Was there paperwork filled out on it? If yes, then yes. If no, then no!
I assume there was some sort of paperwork with the additional training and all.

This would show on a PRIA correct?
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Old 12-09-2013 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Expat87
I assume there was some sort of paperwork with the additional training and all.

This would show on a PRIA correct?

I wouldn't necessarily call it "paperwork." At least at my airline, it is the same amount of paperwork....you either check sat or unsat in the online form. And shoot an email to the director of training as to why it was unsat. But yes it is considered a failure and yes is should be in pria.
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Old 01-01-2014 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Eldee5
One failure will not stop you from getting an interview or hired. Actually, a bad experience can shift your paradigm and make you a better pilot. You will have to show this on an interview, and depending on the nature of the failure, seek help in how to present it. Interview prep is a must. In our perfectionist world, we tend to demonize failures. They happen, and if one has flown long enough, he or she has most likely experienced them. Be honest and own your mistake. It belongs to you, along with all the positive experience you can derive from it.
I agree, one is a non event. But how about having 2 Pt-61 failures & 3 Pt-121 checkride/line-check/PC failures (4+yrs since last failure)? Totals 3 checkride failures + 2 event failures. Highly probable it's a big "NO" having any chance of moving onwards to Delta, Alaska or United.....

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