See above. I don't think you can speak for "others" ace.

I don't mind reading 8,000 words of facts. I just get bored with 8,000 words of desperate job defense.

Never said any such thing. That's what I mean when I call you someone who deflects and distorts in order to desperately defend your gig.

Your fallacy is that you have independent thought right now. You do not. You're focused only on what's best for your current gig.

Carl

If you think Barak Obama is behind some effort to make EK the world power of aviation then you are beyond delusional Carl. I suppose you believe in Chem Trails also. And GW Bush staged 9/11 also, right?

I can't help you if you don't read. The Congress voted against the pre security scheme in the sandbox. Obama is ignoring that and moving forward with it anyway. I don't believe in aiding Obama by sending money to the PAC.

Ah humor.

Better keep your day job.

Carl

It is clear Boeing and Emirates are not to blame for you desperate effort to save what is left of your job, it is clear unions have not stopped the decline.

It is clear that all transactions have at least two parties, Boeng and Emirates aren't selling you, your "reps" are and there isn't much you can do about influence or demand for legitimate goods and services except rant on in your bizarre fashion. Good luck and thanks for the laugh.

Strange that you demand you own protection but scoff at anyone else trying to protect their interests because it isn't fair.

If you ever see a "left wing utopia" point it out, because nobody else in the history of the world has seen such a mythical creature.

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Originally Posted by Delta1067
If you think Barak Obama is behind some effort to make EK the world power of aviation then you are beyond delusional Carl.




Just to clarify Carl. The U.S. Customs pre-clearance facility is in Abu Dhabi not Dubai, EK does not have any flights out of Abu Dhabi so that would not benefit the airline.

And, I suppose Carl, you are not defending your job.

The truthful enemy of US pilots is the economic fact that there are thousands of pilots who are willng to work for considerably less than ALPA T&Cs; that's been so for a very long time. That's the history of deregulation for pilots. If EK is a disaster for US pilots, so is VA, JB, CO under Frank, all the out-sourced RJ lines. You have a lot of enemies. But it's a sub-story to the real factor, consumers are demanding lower fares and, in the US, are willing to put up with lousy service on 2 hour flights. Not so, internationally.

As to EK, they have loads of CC from western Europe, Australia, Canada, and the US, presumably the T&Cs are acceptable to them and they certainly are familiar with western standards of "worker rights". The US EK pilots I've talked with have just about th same complaints US ALPA-represented pilots have, "pay me more, fly me less and send someone else the bill". The fact that many ex-pat labor in the ME is paid less or have different legal standing than US workers is irrelevant; they are infinitely better off than in their home countries.

EK is doing pretty much what any consumer does-bargains for the best deal playing Boeing against Airbus. BTW, QR and EY are looked as "the enemy" ego airlines, state supported to put the hurt on rival emirate, Dubai.

If, a very big IF, EK entered the US domestic market, T7s would be a very strange plane to select. If they American-based crews, EK would have to follow US law, in any case.

Keep in mind too, that because of the RLA and our willingness to be our own worst enemy, US (the country) pilots are viewed as the regional airline pilots of the world.

It is clear that's your personal factless opinion.

It is clear that's your personal factless opinion.

Let's see if you're able to focus here Jungle, because you've unwittingly highlighted a point. I am not scoffing at anyone protecting their interests. The problem here is that EK doesn't have their own population base or market to justify growth, so they are coming for our markets and our interests. It's understandable. Countries have laws to protect their own markets for just this reason. EK would demand the exact same thing if the roles were reversed and anybody wanted the sandbox market.

Of course not. That's why I don't support the notion of financing politicians like Obama who still believe in these myths.

Carl

You can find plenty to fault the RLA but its a stretch to suggest that US pilots are (viewed) as the regional airline pilots of the world. EK's T&C's are hardly an example of anything US airline pilots would wish to emulate. First off, seniority plays very little in deciding where you fly, what you fly, or when you fly. I'll let others weigh in on the pro's and con's from first hand experience, but the fact that EK and its sibling don't base anywhere other than the home country and labor unions are illegal is proof enough that despite some very nice pay (and mainly tax treatment) and some other superficial bennies, most expat's wish they where home or intend to get back home when the time and conditions merit.

First hand, you are wrong. Now, just me, I have sat reserve once in two years. I am in my bed about 18-21 days a month. I get really wherever I want to fly, whether back home to the States, Europe, Asia, wherever. Especially top couple bids, it is really nice. Some like it here, other not. Our family loves it, especially school for the kids. Love watching my girls speak 3 languages, something I never had an opportunity to do back home in public school.