Here they come........closer........
01-11-2014, 10:25 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Is Emirates still only paying their wide body Capt.s $10,000/mo?
That's the yardstick for ExPat Widebody Capt. pay today.
For a comparison, today's DL 747/777 Capt. rate is $262/hr. 75 hours = $19,650/mo.
That's the yardstick for ExPat Widebody Capt. pay today.
For a comparison, today's DL 747/777 Capt. rate is $262/hr. 75 hours = $19,650/mo.
The $19,650 you're quoting is the PRE-TAX gross for a DAL pilot. Toss in the guys mortgage(S), whatever and then show how much the guys ACTUALLY gets in his bank account per month?
With the compensation, housing, and everything else, the EK "take home" after expenses probably isn't that different, and could possibly be higher.
Like I said, I'm JUST talking about the income. Not all the other factors of living in DXB, QOL, non-union, etc etc etc...........
I've known more than one guy, went over there, did his 36 month bond (or whatever it was/is), came home with a pile of money. MORE than he would have made in the states at a regional, WHEN THE LEGACIES STILL HAD PILOTS ON FURLOUGH.
Also, I'd have to look at some of the Asian T'C's they offer, but that EK $10k may NOT be the "yard stick", it might simply be the most popular. Also, many of the Asian contracts are commuting, that can be rigged for MORE time off than people think. At EK, that's not really an option.
01-11-2014, 11:20 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by John Carr
I'm NOT making a case FOR EK nor am I making a case AGAINST DAL. But just for the sake of comparison, you're NOT using all the pertinent info in your hard and fast numbers.
The $19,650 you're quoting is the PRE-TAX gross for a DAL pilot. Toss in the guys mortgage(S), whatever and then show how much the guys ACTUALLY gets in his bank account per month?
With the compensation, housing, and everything else, the EK "take home" after expenses probably isn't that different, and could possibly be higher.
Like I said, I'm JUST talking about the income. Not all the other factors of living in DXB, QOL, non-union, etc etc etc...........
I've known more than one guy, went over there, did his 36 month bond (or whatever it was/is), came home with a pile of money. MORE than he would have made in the states at a regional, WHEN THE LEGACIES STILL HAD PILOTS ON FURLOUGH.
Also, I'd have to look at some of the Asian T'C's they offer, but that EK $10k may NOT be the "yard stick", it might simply be the most popular. Also, many of the Asian contracts are commuting, that can be rigged for MORE time off than people think. At EK, that's not really an option.
The $19,650 you're quoting is the PRE-TAX gross for a DAL pilot. Toss in the guys mortgage(S), whatever and then show how much the guys ACTUALLY gets in his bank account per month?
With the compensation, housing, and everything else, the EK "take home" after expenses probably isn't that different, and could possibly be higher.
Like I said, I'm JUST talking about the income. Not all the other factors of living in DXB, QOL, non-union, etc etc etc...........
I've known more than one guy, went over there, did his 36 month bond (or whatever it was/is), came home with a pile of money. MORE than he would have made in the states at a regional, WHEN THE LEGACIES STILL HAD PILOTS ON FURLOUGH.
Also, I'd have to look at some of the Asian T'C's they offer, but that EK $10k may NOT be the "yard stick", it might simply be the most popular. Also, many of the Asian contracts are commuting, that can be rigged for MORE time off than people think. At EK, that's not really an option.
01-11-2014, 11:28 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by Beer Man
You bring up a point that I thought about at the beginning of this thread... You mention mortgages as thought they are a bad thing, but you are forgetting that most Americans like living in America! Not to mention a whole bunch of pilot from all over the world come here to learn to fly and get a job. I'd much rather pay a mortgage here in the US and I never think of that as a bad thing in comparison to the free housing some companies offer in some far away land.
Originally Posted by John Carr
Like I said, I'm JUST talking about the income. Not all the other factors of living in DXB, QOL, non-union, etc etc etc...........
01-11-2014, 11:47 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Sweet another cream skimming endless growth start up airline barfing capacity all over the place enabled by cheap labor and zero longevity with neverending press releases about how their presence is really a gift to the consumer because of their superior product. How unique.
01-11-2014, 12:19 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by John Carr
I'm NOT making a case FOR EK nor am I making a case AGAINST DAL. But just for the sake of comparison, you're NOT using all the pertinent info in your hard and fast numbers.
The $19,650 you're quoting is the PRE-TAX gross for a DAL pilot. Toss in the guys mortgage(S), whatever and then show how much the guys ACTUALLY gets in his bank account per month?
With the compensation, housing, and everything else, the EK "take home" after expenses probably isn't that different, and could possibly be higher.
Like I said, I'm JUST talking about the income. Not all the other factors of living in DXB, QOL, non-union, etc etc etc...........
I've known more than one guy, went over there, did his 36 month bond (or whatever it was/is), came home with a pile of money. MORE than he would have made in the states at a regional, WHEN THE LEGACIES STILL HAD PILOTS ON FURLOUGH.
Also, I'd have to look at some of the Asian T'C's they offer, but that EK $10k may NOT be the "yard stick", it might simply be the most popular. Also, many of the Asian contracts are commuting, that can be rigged for MORE time off than people think. At EK, that's not really an option.
The $19,650 you're quoting is the PRE-TAX gross for a DAL pilot. Toss in the guys mortgage(S), whatever and then show how much the guys ACTUALLY gets in his bank account per month?
With the compensation, housing, and everything else, the EK "take home" after expenses probably isn't that different, and could possibly be higher.
Like I said, I'm JUST talking about the income. Not all the other factors of living in DXB, QOL, non-union, etc etc etc...........
I've known more than one guy, went over there, did his 36 month bond (or whatever it was/is), came home with a pile of money. MORE than he would have made in the states at a regional, WHEN THE LEGACIES STILL HAD PILOTS ON FURLOUGH.
Also, I'd have to look at some of the Asian T'C's they offer, but that EK $10k may NOT be the "yard stick", it might simply be the most popular. Also, many of the Asian contracts are commuting, that can be rigged for MORE time off than people think. At EK, that's not really an option.
They seem to be the most popular for expats (unless you aren't qualled, like Ms. Hersman's ignorant stalker
), that's why I'm using them as the yardstick for expat jobs. Can we get back on topic, or is that not allowed?
The TOPIC of this thread is; this new Norwegian outfit!
My question is: What are they going to PAY their Wide Body Captains?
01-11-2014, 12:47 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I wasn't born into this industry yesterday. I know how my income tax works, and I know how the Emirates system works.
Originally Posted by Timbo
They seem to be the most popular for expats (unless you aren't qualled, like Ms. Hersman's ignorant stalker that's why I'm using them as the yardstick for expat jobs.
Originally Posted by Timbo
Can we get back on topic, or is that not allowed?
The TOPIC of this thread is; this new Norwegian outfit!
The TOPIC of this thread is; this new Norwegian outfit!
01-11-2014, 01:05 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by turbodvr42
gloopy, check your facts regarding "start up." i personally think its good, other airlines will be encouraged to open us bases creating more jobs.
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