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johnso29 01-30-2014 03:27 PM

Enjoy the delays!!! :D

Plane Ramrod 01-30-2014 07:04 PM

So what is going to be more entertaining?


1. SWA Expressway visual 31 LGA (with or without nose gear collapse)
2. SWA River Visual 19 DCA (With post landing Patomac segment)
3. Anywhere in Central / South America: land in the available distance.

Packrat 01-30-2014 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod (Post 1570919)
So what is going to be more entertaining?


1. SWA Expressway visual 31 LGA (with or without nose gear collapse)
2. SWA River Visual 19 DCA (With post landing Patomac segment)
3. Anywhere in Central / South America: land in the available distance.

That's harsh!

Tinpusher007 01-31-2014 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1570753)
Enjoy the delays!!! :D

What delays??? The slots have simply been reallocated. No one is adding any more flights than were previously operated.

727C47 01-31-2014 06:51 AM

Good for LUV, why all the hate?

gloopy 01-31-2014 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by lolwut (Post 1570565)
This is great. Now nobody will be able to make money out of DCA. Yet another sizable market about to be destroyed.

I wonder if ATC will be willing to clear them direct through P-56. Who knows what a lot of pizza parties can get you...

Actually I think this is a good thing for the most part. SWA will bring in mostly 130-ish seat planes into the market with sky high labor costs. After the new wears off the over advertised fare sales, they won't be able to gut yields out of that market at all. So in a way its significant fare protection for most markets. Which, by the way, will be more and more connecting. Fewer point to point routes on half empty RJ's means more connections through other hubs on mainlines.

JB will trash yields for a while, but even they will only trail a reasonable fare baseline by so much, and most or all of their routes will be to their hubs or FL.

Just like Parker warned, this puts the squeeze on the remaining smaller market directs, which the legacies will still dominate, while flooding an already saturated market with cheap seats to FL. The only real negative for the legacies is that JB will come in and absolutely nuke the yields on the Shuttle. Even if they do NYC to JFK, they will destroy the yields. There is clearly not the demand for 3 shuttle products, so someone will have to surrender. JB will bet that someone is DL and they may be right, but it appears DL may have a counterpunch after all.

meyers9163 01-31-2014 07:19 AM

Sweet. More service to saturated markets of MCO, FLL, TPA, Etc...... How long before they complain and request a route to be granted outside of the perimeter because they think they're exempt from all rules because they're Southwest?

Oh well.... Doesn't make sense with BWI so close to DCA since this still isn't much to do more then hub flying.... And as said small/medium markets lose out because of our dumb DOJ.

DeadHead 01-31-2014 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by 727C47 (Post 1571174)
Good for LUV, why all the hate?

I find their trademark company signature Texas Orange intimidating towards my manhood.

Packrat 01-31-2014 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 1571202)
Sweet. More service to saturated markets of MCO, FLL, TPA, Etc...... How long before they complain and request a route to be granted outside of the perimeter because they think they're exempt from all rules because they're Southwest?

Problem with that is the beyond the perimeter slots are uber competitive. Look at the last 4 that were awarded.

Timbo 01-31-2014 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by 727C47 (Post 1571174)
Good for LUV, why all the hate?

Because they are known kitten killers! :eek:

I wish they'd start service to Key West, that place is over run with feral cats and could use some help to thin the herd! :D


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