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shoelu 02-01-2014 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1572002)
There's not enough room for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of growth narrowbodies from JB and others not even counting the inevitable overly ambitious widebody order from JB and/or SW one day.
So will Delta be downsizing to make room then?

Timbo 02-01-2014 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by shoelu (Post 1572226)
So will Delta be downsizing to make room then?
All those new two class, 76 seat RJ's have to go somewhere...:eek::D

gloopy 02-01-2014 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by shoelu (Post 1572226)
So will Delta be downsizing to make room then?
That's the issue. The LCC's are banking on the legacies gifting them capacity, or at the very least forcing someone's hand with merger mania to buy off a competitor.

A year or two ago I would have been very concerned the legacy airlines (very much including SWA) would have yielded to the young buck marketshare poachers but the tide had apparently turned. Legacies have hit critical mass where they can bury an insolent LCC or two (each) on any and all competing routes and still post big profits over all.

pilotpayne 02-01-2014 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1572318)
That's the issue. The LCC's are banking on the legacies gifting them capacity, or at the very least forcing someone's hand with merger mania to buy off a competitor.

A year or two ago I would have been very concerned the legacy airlines (very much including SWA) would have yielded to the young buck marketshare poachers but the tide had apparently turned. Legacies have hit critical mass where they can bury an insolent LCC or two (each) on any and all competing routes and still post big profits over all.
An insolent LCC?
So in your world Lcc's should really not exist right?
I kind of liked your other posts but this is just a very arrogant position.
Good thing you work for a legacy seems you fit the mold well.
Now I have to go and wait for my insolent airline to be killed by a legacy, it was fun while it lasted.

buzzpat 02-02-2014 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 1572330)
An insolent LCC?
So in your world Lcc's should really not exist right?
I kind of liked your other posts but this is just a very arrogant position.
Good thing you work for a legacy seems you fit the mold well.
Now I have to go and wait for my insolent airline to be killed by a legacy, it was fun while it lasted.
It'll be a swift death. Don't anticipate the pain. Just close your eyes. The metal's fairly thin and a little cold. It happens to all of us at so e point. Good luck!

Sum Ting Wong 02-02-2014 03:31 AM
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May you be furloughed ANOTHER several years ...

CanoePilot 02-02-2014 03:51 AM
Lcc's harm the industry, they act as an anchor for wages and for the airlines.

tsquare 02-02-2014 05:18 AM
Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 1572484)
Lcc's harm the industry, they act as an anchor for wages and for the airlines.
OK... so what is the solution then? It is retarded to blame the pilots that are working there. None of them are doing anything different than you or I did, or would be doing if we were in their shoes. Arrogance doesn't even touch the surface of some of the posts on here.

tsquare 02-02-2014 05:25 AM
Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1572318)
That's the issue. The LCC's are banking on the legacies gifting them capacity, or at the very least forcing someone's hand with merger mania to buy off a competitor.

A year or two ago I would have been very concerned the legacy airlines (very much including SWA) would have yielded to the young buck marketshare poachers but the tide had apparently turned. Legacies have hit critical mass where they can bury an insolent LCC or two (each) on any and all competing routes and still post big profits over all.
That is correct to a degree. There just aren't any more point to point markets where a start up can get a foothold in the industry. Even the poster child for point to point is now interested in markets that historically were not even on their radar. (DCA? Really??? How far out of their model is THAT?) I think the term "insolent" is over the top, but I get what you are saying. It is going to be much much harder for startups from here on...

JoeyMeatballs 02-02-2014 05:27 AM
Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 1572484)
Lcc's harm the industry, they act as an anchor for wages and for the airlines.
Same could have been said for US Airways the past decade, no.? I know all about the MOU rates and the bright future you appear to have ahead over at Airways but LCCs are not to blame for the "legacy" airlines mess post 9/11. It's pretty F'ng laughable to see guys here joke about an airline going out of business when their airline was literally on the brink of extinction a few months ago. How funny would it be then? The amount of douchebaggery displayed by a lot of you guys is comical

(Yeah yeah, I've had plenty of douchey comments I know)


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