I think its a code share with American.

 

captjns, if you go to the Qantas website and attempt a booking just on that JFK-LAX or LAX-JFK leg, Qantas will not sell you a ticket. If you came from one of their Australia flights into LAX, it would be fine to connect to it, but they can't handle USA origin/destination traffic. Also, reading ZED fare agreements for US carriers, they expressly prohibit you to ZED-nonrev on this leg as well.

Iceman49, that flight that jns picked is a QF flight on QF metal, not one of the AA codeshares.

 

True. But AA does not fly between two Austrain cities, let alone to Australia.

 

That's a fuel stop and to deplane pax in LAX. I'm pretty sure they are not allowed to board any pax in LAX and take them to JFK, or we would have heard about it by now.

Delta did the same type thing for many years flying ATL-SNN-DUB.

 

Others beat me to it but you keep typing and keep making a bigger fool of yourself. I guess caviar and champagne don't make you intelligent on international aviation treaties.

For you to do some homework lest you prove your foolishness once again:
Freedoms of the Air

This is an example of ICAO 3rd and 4th freedom with beyond rights.

Pax can purchase tickets SYD-LAX or SYD-JFK. Qantas is not permitted to embark passengers on the LAX-JFK.

On the return, passengers can purchase JFK-SYD tickets and LAX-SYD tickets, but Qantas may not disembark passengers after the JFK-LAX leg.

 

Shiznit... this is not the third grade play ground. I would assume at this point in your career, you could be able to convey your point in a more mature communicative manner.

The "Freedoms of the Air" adopted my members of ICAO during the convention held in Chicago in 1944 is of no secret to the world. International based flight attendants is a far cry from foreign based Pilots. Although Technically some already do. Cathay Pacific comes to mind. M/E carriers are considering the same to conserve certain expenses over and beyond the cost of housing.

EU carriers, such as Rynair, Easy Jet, Norwegian Air Shuttle, to name a few rely on the Ninth freedom (stand alone cabotage), making multiple stops in one country, deplaning, and boarding passengers, before proceeding to their native soil.

NAI is looking to fly across the Atlantic to various locations in the US. BA, LH, VS, AF, KLM to name a few do it now. From the article the It does not appear that NAI is looking to challenge or apply to the DOT under with the Eight or especially, the Ninth Freedoms, of Freedoms of the Air Act. Many Legacy Carriers own their own versions low cost carriers that operate throughout Europe and across the Atlantic. In other words, they are competing amongst themselves in many markets. KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, part of leading European airline operator Air France-KLM, owns all the shares of Martinair Holland. Major difference is Euroland have very strong unions to protect their pilots unlike the US which are self serving amongst themselves rather than the pilot group. Even foreign investors have stakes in European Carriers. Did you know that Etihad owns over 29% of Air Berlin?

Anyway Shiznit... happy flying.

 

So help me understand, what do you guys see happening if NAI is successful? It appears the DOT indicated the other day that they expect to approve their application. Do you think this will cause furloughs/bankruptcies at the legacy carriers? You would think as big as the "big 3" are we could just gang up on them until they shut down. Or even if they do remain, they would just be another competing carrier like BA or KLM right? I agree that its unfair to not compete on a level playing field, but im trying to understand why this would all of a sudden mean drastic cuts in US flying jobs. Wouldn't they essentially be doing what SWA has done in the domestic market? They are very successful but the legacies are still alive and well. Don't get me wrong, im very against this, I've signed all the petitions, and I back ALPA 100% in fighting this. Im just trying to understand and the doom and gloom I keep hearing. It seems like every year another threat emerges, or at least a potential one.

 

There's nothing fundamentally different about them than that Open Skies garbage and other that tried to start up and poach international yields. They are very easilly driven to liquidation and unemployment for the back stabbing scum who fly there, but the risk these days is legacy management so desperate for YoY/QoQ revenue growth they might yield to them as they grow to preserve margins in th short term, thus allowing them to grow into critical mass.

We have got to put them out of business ASAMFP.

 

What I see here is what happened to the cruise industry finally happening to the airline industry. If anyone has been on a cruise lately all the people working on the ship come from the Philippines or Indonesia while the bridge crew and officers are all either eastern Europeans or from the Nordic countries.

I wonder if the US airlines could replace our old f/as with outsourced f/as from the Philippines?

Where are the pilots from who fly for NAI?

 

The Scandinavian pilot group in Norwegian (officially hired through a subsidiary, Norwegian Air Norway, NAN) went on strike Feb 28th demanding to have their CLA tied to the mother company itself. Norwegian's CEO Bjorn Kjos is widely known as a union buster and countered with an "offer" to further divide the pilot group into individual companies/agreements for each of the three Scandinavian countries.

The strike started with 70 pilots on Saturday February 28th and escalated to include all of NANs 650 pilots by Wednesday March 4th. It was called off on this Tuesday, as an agreement was made in which the pilots get to maintain their CLA with NAN for another three years, while pretty significant concessions were made in return.

Pilots in other divisions of Norwegian, including NAI and 737-pilots based in London, Spain and Helsinki continued to operate flights on Norwegian's AOC and call sign throughout the whole strike, as these pilots are individually employed contractors and not yet organized. Furthermore, these companies all flew struck work on Norwegian call sign throughout the whole period:

- Avion Express
- Small Planet
- DAT (Danish Air Transport)
- Czech
- HiFly
- EuroAtlantic
- Jet2
- White
- Privilege Style
- Aegean
- Air Berlin
- Germania
- SmartLynx
- Titan
- SunAdria
- Go2Sky
- Moldovan Airlines
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