117 FDP 2 hr Extension at UAL, DAL, AA etc...
#31
Gets Weekends Off
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From: 320 F.O.
This is bad information.
Also, when we sign the release as a pilot (all pilots sign it now for those not at DL) we are agreeing to the 2 hour extension until we notify otherwise. You can refuse the extension at any time.
We're grown adults, individuals, and professional pilots... why make a deal about the captain accepting it and us not? If you're done, you're done. Who cares if he's fine- he might have slept wonderfully while you were dealing with family issues. That's how it goes. Don't make a big emotional deal about it, and they have no room to do the same.
I had a tracker give me a deal about throwing down a pumpkin time when I felt our eastbound afternoon westcoast flight would become a redeye due to our rolling delay. He asked me if I reported not ready to fulfill my contract. I asked him "If something in the contract was legal, is it automatically safe?" He said yes. I told him that we could no longer have a productive discussion and to hand me over to the supervisor or duty pilot. Backpedalling ensued and the situation was resolved very quickly.
Also, when we sign the release as a pilot (all pilots sign it now for those not at DL) we are agreeing to the 2 hour extension until we notify otherwise. You can refuse the extension at any time.
We're grown adults, individuals, and professional pilots... why make a deal about the captain accepting it and us not? If you're done, you're done. Who cares if he's fine- he might have slept wonderfully while you were dealing with family issues. That's how it goes. Don't make a big emotional deal about it, and they have no room to do the same.
I had a tracker give me a deal about throwing down a pumpkin time when I felt our eastbound afternoon westcoast flight would become a redeye due to our rolling delay. He asked me if I reported not ready to fulfill my contract. I asked him "If something in the contract was legal, is it automatically safe?" He said yes. I told him that we could no longer have a productive discussion and to hand me over to the supervisor or duty pilot. Backpedalling ensued and the situation was resolved very quickly.
#32
The REAL Bluedriver
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From: Airbus Capt
Now I realize where this info came from. Cut and pasted right from BluePilots. He was called in for dependability because he punched out 9 times since December 1st not because he refused extension. Once again a little bit of information can be spun into all kinds of rumors. Once the whole picture is unveiled the picture becomes very clear. Pilots like this one are the reason JB management came out with the poorly rolled outdependability policy.
Once again sick calls are the only thing that can trigger a dependability review. Fatigue and duty extensions currently do not. Let's keep it that way and vote in a CBA.
Once again sick calls are the only thing that can trigger a dependability review. Fatigue and duty extensions currently do not. Let's keep it that way and vote in a CBA.
#35
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2008
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From: 320 F.O.
I agree Benzonate, well put. We should all be more diligent with our research before passing judgement on these situations. It is such a shame that a few on Bluepilots blur the facts to make a point. Often times there are great informational truths on there that get lost in rehtoric.
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