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shoelu 03-05-2014 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1596173)
This is the same DOJ that Eric Holder runs.....right?

Got it.:rolleyes:

What does that even mean? I could care less who is running what, I'm simply reporting what they have said and whether you like it or not they are the ones in charge of the divestitures.

tsquare 03-05-2014 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1596173)
This is the same DOJ that Eric Holder runs.....right?

Got it.:rolleyes:

Yeah, not one smidgen of corruption there.

tsquare 03-05-2014 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by shoelu (Post 1596164)
Not afraid of competition simply stating that the DOJ has stipulated that competition will not be from Delta. What part is not getting through?

I guess he knows we'll run out of your own house.


lulz.

ShyGuy 03-05-2014 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1596087)
Afraid of real competition? Everywhere you have tried to take market share from us, you have been beaten back. You are a very normal airline, with very normal problems, and a limited ability to respond.

Delta is basically out from getting the 2 DAL gates due to the DOJ stance of awarding it to LCCs. Delta already does numerous flights from DFW to LGA, so what difference does DAL make. VX would be a new entrant to that market. When you say real competition what exactly would that be besides dumping capacity like UAL did at EWR in an attempt to drive out the new entrant? I guess it's only real competition if your airline affects another but not when Emirates does it to you.

shoelu 03-05-2014 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1596214)
I guess he knows we'll run out of your own house.


lulz.

With only 2 gates, get over yourself.

putzin 03-05-2014 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1596014)
Like United did out of EWR? All they did and continue to do is hurt themselves by dumping capacity. A good thing about VX operating these flights into ORD, DCA, and LGA is that they are slot restricted so SWA can't just dump capacity. Plus, VX and SW are a different brand. SW does not have a first class and caters to a different customer base than VX does. I think SW and VX would do very well out of DAL.

Plus, this is good news for you as a Delta Air Lines pilot. If Delta gets the DAL gates, they plan on running RJs with non-Delta Air Lines pilots operating on those routes. In fact Delta is already selling DAL-LGA tickets even though they have not gotten the gates. E170s/E175s.

Just thinking out loud.

While I don't think it would happen, price is still king and Southwest has plenty of gates in DCA, LGA and owns Midway. Your talking about an airline that has $3 billion on hand and made $750 million in profits to your "might have barely broke even last year". If they choose to hurt Virgin they could. Obviously they would rather have the gates in DAL to themselves, but Virgin wouldn't be near as bad as having the mega delta in your back yard.

The other thought is hopefully Virgin will IPO sooner than later and that will help things out as well.

ThrustMonkey 03-05-2014 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1596044)
Delta will eventually fly those DAL-LGA routes, plus many more, with 717's as we get more airframes. SWA will pay to modify former AT metal to compete against themselves and finally offer an alternative to the SWA cattle call out of LUV.

I LUV it...

(and yes, Shyguy..I took notice of your shot at delta pilots, but chose to ignore it. I don't know why you have such a hard-on for delta guys, but good luck working that out)

No they won't. First of all you have to get over on the DOJ who has stated only LCC can bid for those gates. IF you can do that, then you have to convince the city its a better deal to award them to Delta over SWA or VX. The hubris displayed by Delta in this instance is something else.

ShyGuy 03-05-2014 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by ThrustMonkey (Post 1596233)
No they won't. First of all you have to get over on the DOJ who has stated only LCC can bid for those gates. IF you can do that, then you have to convince the city its a better deal to award them to Delta over SWA or VX. The hubris displayed by Delta in this instance is something else.

Correct. The whole point of the DOJ denying the AA/US merger as-is and then approving it with concessions is to let LCCs/Majors get a level playing field if the country will only have 3 mega legacy carriers. What are the new numbers now for the 3 legacy carriers? That they now represent 80-85% of flying choices available to the public? The 3 legacies now have a huge market share all due to mergers approved by the government. Every legacy today has merged with one or more other legacy carriers. Anything the DOJ forces a legacy to give up in order to form a mega legacy carrier will go to a LCC carrier to simply balance things out and offer more consumer choices.

tsquare 03-06-2014 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by shoelu (Post 1596222)
With only 2 gates, get over yourself.

You should be required to divest more. But GK's head is so far up the DOJ's arse that he can see Herb's shoes....

tsquare 03-06-2014 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by ThrustMonkey (Post 1596233)
No they won't. First of all you have to get over on the DOJ who has stated only LCC can bid for those gates. IF you can do that, then you have to convince the city its a better deal to award them to Delta over SWA or VX. The hubris displayed by Delta in this instance is something else.

Interesting that when DAL wants to come in and compete, you refer to it as "hubristic". Make no mistake, if we got those gates, we WOULD use them, and we WOULD make money. SWA on the other hand, buys Airtran, and talks how they are gonna come in and take Atlanta. What's their flight count now? Hint: A LOT less than it was at the time of the merger. Clark Howard is on a ventilator because of it.

The problem is that SWA is still viewed as a LCC by those in the position to control those gates, and for that I tip my hat to SWA management. It still doesn't change the fact that wherever we have gone head to head, we will beat them....


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