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I wonder how many people today would select a SWA job offer if they also had simultaneous offers from DAL, UAL and AA/US? How many out of 100 would elect to go to SWA today and sit on the bottom of the seniority list and wait 18-22 years for the left seat? No doubt the pay at SWA is great - but it is one of several factors to be considered. |
Originally Posted by shoelu
(Post 1621476)
I really hope and pray you are never involved in serious accident or incident. Although these are supposed "anonymous" web sites, your comments could be misconstrued so as to accuse you of committing willful and deliberate acts of "retribution". I can just about guarantee you that if either pilot of MH 370 had made similar comments on an anonymous web board, that would now be a matter of public record.
We/I would simply love to see original SW pilots get completely ****ed out of their seniority and seats at some point in the future just the same as they and their management did to us. The only tears I'd shed would be of joy. I pray that karma does actually does exist. |
Originally Posted by ipdanno
(Post 1621464)
WM, instead of thanking Gary and SWAPA for your current position/condition, you could more accurately thank your MEC, no?
You DID take a seniority hit, and temporarily lost your captaincy, and that's rough. By one year from now, your fellow former AT captains will be bidding for the left seat at WN. You haven't been banned from Captaincy. As for reupgrading in 2015......not a chance in hell. After being in the left seat for many years, it's going to be several years before I can even hold it again and about 15 years before I get back to my original relative seniority under a scenario of hiring only for retirements (0% growth). In fact, I'm now grouped in with original SW FOs who were NOT EVEN HIRED AT SW WHEN I FINISHED UPGRADING AT AIRTRAN. Anybody have the audacity to tell me I have no right to be livid about that?! |
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 1618693)
there is a vast majority of the 1,700+ of us who will be looking for retribution and a chance to return the LUV bestowed on us by both SWAPA and SWA management.
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 1621864)
Anybody have the audacity to tell me I have no right to be livid about that?!
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
(Post 1621868)
How about stop whining like a little bit{h?
I'm standing by with popcorn... :eek: |
I'm with bull...
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 1621864)
No. I don't blame my MEC at all. I blame my MC to a large extent, and SWAPA and SWA who were in cahoots on a plan to threaten us with "non-integration" should the SLI go to arbitration. Let's not try once again to spin this back to the MEC. For the most part they did as I asked them to, especially with regard to sending that first POS back without a vote. It was insulting to say the least.
As for reupgrading in 2015......not a chance in hell. After being in the left seat for many years, it's going to be several years before I can even hold it again and about 15 years before I get back to my original relative seniority under a scenario of hiring only for retirements (0% growth). In fact, I'm now grouped in with original SW FOs who were NOT EVEN HIRED AT SW WHEN I FINISHED UPGRADING AT AIRTRAN. Anybody have the audacity to tell me I have no right to be livid about that?! |
Originally Posted by captjns
(Post 1621893)
Actually don't you think, WM, that you along with your entire pilot group should share some of the blame concerning the "Stapled" seniority list? After all, shouldn't you and your group have demanded transparency from your side of the house during the negotiations?
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 1621864)
As for reupgrading in 2015......not a chance in hell. After being in the left seat for many years, it's going to be several years before I can even hold it again and about 15 years before I get back to my original relative seniority under a scenario of hiring only for retirements (0% growth). |
Originally Posted by mpilot153
(Post 1621973)
I got the seniority, that's a big hit to the ego. Hopefully this doesn't come off the wrong way....but how has the pay changed? From what I could gather through Google, it looks like a 10 year air tran Capt would make $5/hour more than a 10 year SWA F/O
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