And there aren't too many US carriers with Airbus captains under the age of 30...

I'm STILL trying to figure out how so many people are calling this an ACTUAL rejection. It has NOTHING to do with getting hired. The interview process was NEVER EVEN EXECUTED.

It was simply an application pool flush, JUST LIKE USAir DOES, and not unlike AA did when they sent out TBNK, reapply in 6 months.

Fine. It was amusing, no matter what this circumstance. This thread has lost any luster it once had. (Besides, I was simply echoing what shoelu said anyway.)


Carry on without me.

Are we talking about the same airline?
on another thread...

Got the call last night for the April 30th class! Chief confirmed there are 3 more classes to follow. Can't wait to get started.

Btw, 8500 total, 5000 tpic CRJ, 121 regional, non check airman, 73 type

Good luck guys, the interview experience is awesome.

Not exactly military ex-astronaut.

I WASN'T flaming you. I was agreeing with something you wrote. It's much ado about NOTHING. There was NO conditional offer of employment extended.

This is the perfect thread. People tripping over themselves to argue about an April's fool joke, AFTER it was pointed out.

Who's a good dog? F.R. Dogg is a good dog! Yes you are!

@howling.com

If he actually sent that response, I'll buy him a beer also.

My bad.... apologies to you sir.

Agree!

What's the difference between the other airlines that that leave the window open continuously vs. one that opens and closes the window? My thinking is the TBNT email followed by immediately re-opening the window is a very positive thing. Since Oct, plenty of people have picked up offers with AA, DAL, UAL. Why waste the time and energy on extending an Interview offer to someone that isn't interested anymore.

It's sad to hear that a fully qualified pilot with "enlisted" military experience was not afforded better treatment. Up untill the 80's there was a law requiring favored treatment for veterans. Newt and co-herts did away with that, along with another requirement of the same conditions for former airline personnel. it's really had nothing to do with actual experience or qualifications for a long time. Yes, there is a price for this situation. Delta saw it in the 80's, American in the 90's and FedEx cannot seem to land a DC-10 without major structural damage. IF airlines or any corporation were forced to pay a stiff enough price for their policies, a policy change would probably occur. However, as a case in point, the airline that ran two inexperienced pilots ragged leading to the deaths of all onboard was allowed to hide in bankruptcy. Just a thought, enlisted veterans fought for their country, officers fought for advancement and career.

Veterans get preference for all government jobs. Private businesses should be free to choose who they want for whatever reasons they want. I thought the military is about serving your country not being served once you separate/retire. And I do believe most private businesses favor military service anyway. What more do you want?

What?

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"Just a thought, enlisted veterans fought for their country, officers fought for advancement and career."

Thanks. Didn't know that part of history.

Good luck with your victim complex.

As to the bolded portion, it's a pretty classless fellow who would make such a statement.

I urge you to seek treatment at your local VA mental health facility.

In order to be a thought, there has to be synaptic activity. This does not qualify.


TOTD nominee.

You have got to be kidding me...

As an enlisted and commissioned combat veteran, this statement gives me pause.

Most asinine statements on these threads don't warrant a response, but I could not let this one go.

Roundup - I would love to introduce you to the wives and families of my friends, both officer and enlisted, who have given the ultimate sacrifice for their country. Even if you had the guts to make this statement to their faces, you'd see that they would still not stoop as low to waste their breath responding to such idiocy. Then maybe you'd comprehend the absurdity of what you have said here, and perhaps see the forest for the trees.

Wow, nice to know all those Officers spending years tortured in the Hanoi Hilton, storming the beaches of Normandy, young 20 something Lieutenants being blown to bits in their bombers over Germany ect... were just interested in career advancement. What a truly ignorant statement. I know I just lost some brain cells in responding to such nonsense.

Boy you must have been in some really crummy units if you believe this drivel. As a former enlisted man turned Warrant Officer I had some absolutely great leaders in the enlisted, NCO and Officer Corps. I also believe it had to do with the history of the unit that you were assigned to. I did 6 years in the Air Cavalry and 4 of it in the 101st Airborne division. The Officer was expected to lead from the front and set the example. It was on very rare occasions that you were disappointed.

Have any 121 only pilots been hired with less than 6k TT?

This is the funniest *********G gif I've ever seen!

And perfectly targeted.

LMAO! Great line.

Ironically, I think I was at about 11,000 hrs TT when I got the "Thanks for playing" letter after my interview in '06. Six thousand hours later probably would make no difference now, either. Fortunately, I'm headed elsewhere. Guess it wasn't meant to be........

I had 11,000 hrs when hired. I probably wasn't qualified.

Yup, another thread described that SWA People Department simply flushed the list to reopen for all. Comments here indicate this is recent industry practice.

As to getting typed, well, do you want the job? With the stacks of apps in the PD right now, which stack do you want to be in? The "Ready for Newhire Training" stack or the "Not as Serious About The Possibility of THIS Job" stack. Simple as that.

My Newhire class was 50/50 civ/mil. My impression was most were in the 2008 season. I discount the must be 5/6 mil arguments.

I only had 8,000 mil transport hours. So I clearly wasn't quailed for the job. Must have been my personality.

Yup, another thread described that SWA People Department simply flushed the list to reopen for all. Comments here indicate this is recent industry practice.

As to getting typed, well, do you want the job? With the stacks of apps in the PD right now, which stack do you want to be in? The "Ready for Newhire Training" stack or the "Not as Serious About The Possibility of THIS Job" stack. Simple as that.

My Newhire class was 50/50 civ/mil. My impression was most were in the 2008 season. I discount the must be 5/6 mil arguments.

I only had 8,000 mil transport hours. So I clearly wasn't quailed for the job. Must have been my personality.

Got one as well followed immediately by one stating that the new window was open. We don't need you but apply again so we can add you to the not qualified list. Comforting.

The April first date of my “reply” was a coincidence but the reply WAS meant to be a satirical representation of what, I imagine, many of us might like to say when getting the TBNT letter (which was real as many of you who got one, know). That said, however, the response wasn't actually sent. I never burn bridges in this industry and sending it would have been pointless anyway. Whatever the computer matrix that SWA uses, they must have a peculiar definition of "qualified".

The other point I was making was that, from an industry wide point of view, the merger of AirTran and Southwest was a remarkable turn in a very dark direction. Personally, I would have a difficult time looking an AirTran pilot in the eye if I were a SWA pilot. But maybe that’s just me.

And, even if we just forget all about the SWA fun/luv camaraderie culture stuff, If SWA is trying to enhance safety in their cockpits, this may have been a huge step backwards. I can easily imagine an AirTran FO being so upset about their treatment that they forget to point out to the SWA captain that the captain forgot to sign the release or overlooked a below mins weather report or left the logbook on the ground or are about to push with the ground power plugged in or are about to put a wingtip into the tail of another plane or, or, or …

With so many mergers providing horrible examples out there, it is amazing that this one has set a new low. It’s sad to see and it has done the industry no good.

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I quite agree with the disappointment by an Air Tran Chappy sitting the the right seat. However, I don't think anyone would take it to the point where they would jeopardize their safety or airman certificates to get their point across. Yes without a doubt, its a crappy deal to be stapled to the bottom of any seniority list:mad:

So why would you apply in the first place?

I'm sure AirTran folks are professional. I'm just saying that there will probably be some serious stress in those cockpits which could lead to problems.

Because I'm not AirTran. I'd be junior to them if I were hired now (I assume! maybe the SLI keeps them on the bottom forever!). All of us would agree that every airline has problems. Some are company problems. Some are pilot group problems. Some are big glaring problems and some are not so big. Were I hired someplace where I felt I could make a difference and make things better, that's what I would try to do. If I were hired at SWA, there would be many fences to mend by many people.

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You're wasting your electronic breathe. They'll never see that anything wrong happened. While I'm not going to let anything safety related slide, there is a vast majority of the 1,700+ of us who will be looking for retribution and a chance to return the LUV bestowed on us by both SWAPA and SWA management.

anyone else gotten roughly 5 TBNT letters since the new window opened? I wasn't expecting to hear anything that fast, nor actually get a call. But I've gotten 5 rejection letters for one application. (No major negative items, just no 737 type and no TPIC... yet)

Curious what filter I set off. a simple no would have been sufficient, lol.

Just a guess would be the zero TPIC, seeing that they have a requirement to have 1,000 of it…

probably why, just figure I wouldn't get one till the window closed. Everywhere else I haven't heard a peep. Sitting in class today I got 3 of the denial letters. Kick a regional FO while he's down, lol.

Ha, I feel your pain man. One is plenty!!! What class are you in? Upgrade?

I certainly can't blame you for applying without the stated minimums, in my opinion it shows that you really want to work there. Apply every window and update the TPIC column until you reach the minimums. However, you really shouldn't be surprised when they shoot you down when you don't meet the minimum requirements directly stated in the job posting.

i wish, transferring from the 145 to 170 at RAH. Upgrade isn't far off, but right now they seem to play keep away with it.

Attention Southwest groupies and wanabes.... Time to rip the posters off the walls and ceilings... quit fantasizing! There are other carriers out there hiring.

And that is our point. Please don't apply to SWA if you don't want to work here. Despite what you think there is still a strong culture of people who love it here and DO want to work here.

I'm sitting in class with 27 very qualified and very happy to be here individuals. Some have applied many times, a couple had interviewed more than once, some got lucky the first time. It's a pretty even mix of military and civilian. The one thing we all have in common. We all are beyond ecstatic to be here! And if that's something you want, keep trying and it will happen.

I hope that if you want to be somewhere else, that is where you end up. If you don't know where you want to be, perhaps that is why you are where you are!

(Disclaimer: this is in no way intended to downplay Airtran integration issues, I hope we find a way to get along amicably in the years to come.)