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Old 07-05-2014, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by fr8rcaptain View Post
And so do I! We've always had the single pay scale. Back in the day when our fleets size varied from the 727-100 up to the 747, there was some discussion about regarding it's perceived equalities/inequalities: the 727 guys claiming they worked harder doing multiple legs at night, the 747 guys claiming they were more productive carrying more revenue on their one flight every few days.... In the end it was generally felt, in-house, that the single scale was best because pilots would generally choose their fleet based on schedule type, instead of chasing a variable hourly rate. The company likes it too, because it probably reduces training costs.
A 50-something ex BNF Capt. summed up the origins of the single-pay scale at UPS more lucidly on a hotel van ride: "I didn't want to take a $10K paycut just so that some guy lucky enough to get hired a few months ahead of me could make $200K flying a 747."
(re- IPA first 1991 contract)
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Old 07-05-2014, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
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Please stay off the negotiating committee.
I don't think there is any danger of that. I am not in the "in" circle.


More money, more time off.

An ADG of 5:30 vs 5:15 is a 5% pay increase. (more or less)
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Old 07-05-2014, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mike734 View Post
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Never forget, we don't fly airplanes because there is an airline. There is an airline BECAUSE we fly airplanes.
Really?.....
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Old 07-05-2014, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post

You have clearly never flown international flying worldwide. The risks overall are far greater both in the air, the layover and health wise. I have also found as a captain you deal with far more complex decisions that have a vastly greater cost impact to the company. I pick up domestic trips just to relax and drive the bus. International always seems to have something going on from maintenance to passengers to crew ect..
Domestic flight most of that is handled by others. If I decide to divert because of drunk Russians to BIKF where the aircraft is going to have to sit for 12 hours the cost implications to the company exceed a quarter of a million dollars. Diverting to Jackson MS not quite as much.
Internationally I have dealt with every passenger issue imaginable from drunks, passengers threatening to kill flight attendants, premature baby delivery, massive seizure, suspected mers, crew member with malaria symptoms, drug overdoses ( most recent last month) atc strikes, no maintenance, diverts to airports that have never seen a wide body ect, ect, ect,.
Domestic is a nice break and the hard choices are off loaded on someone else!
You clearly have never worked at a regional. You have the support of the mainline union behind you, were are, for the most part, on our own here in our decision making. Take all those decisions you think are difficult, then add the pressure of losing your career over them, and that's what it's like working at a regional.
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Old 07-05-2014, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
You clearly have never worked at a regional. You have the support of the mainline union behind you, were are, for the most part, on our own here in our decision making. Take all those decisions you think are difficult, then add the pressure of losing your career over them, and that's what it's like working at a regional.
Mesabah,
I like your posts, but Sailing was a Marine. You don't know what no support is until you've seen the Marines.

I'm serious.

I'm interested in hearing what you're hearing on the single carrier status rumor.
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Old 07-05-2014, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
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I like your posts, but Sailing was a Marine. You don't know what no support is until you've seen the Marines.

I'm serious.
Hey, I've been through Detroit. But all jokes aside. Lee Moak said this at one of our road shows, he gave the "you gotta pay your dues somewhere, and I was a marine, yada yada." He had the balls to say this to Pinnacle pilots, some of whom, were infantry in the military at one time. I think a lot of guys, who think scope recapture is bailing out the regional guys, is the wrong way to look at it. I think, that had scope been held onto, a lot of military guys wouldn't have been furloughed from mainline. I think you have to look at is protecting the jobs of your fellow mainline employees, no matter how junior, rather than giving windfalls to regional guys.

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I'm interested in hearing what you're hearing on the single carrier status rumor.
DOA....The NMB requires 51% of BOTH pilot groups to support single status. Unless, we have your MEC support, nothing goes through. In light of the recent events of what a certain 9E MEC chairman has done, that support is going to be very hard to come by. The irony being, this "vault letter negotiator", turned out to be a management sleeper.
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Old 07-05-2014, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
I don't think there is any danger of that. I am not in the "in" circle.


More money, more time off.

An ADG of 5:30 vs 5:15 is a 5% pay increase. (more or less)
Sorry... closer to 10%
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Old 07-05-2014, 05:27 PM
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:05 PM
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UPS got it right....Period....I long for the day when airlines go back to hiring pilots and not college graduates.....
 
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