Come work for Allegiant…it's pure PLATINUM!
07-14-2014 | 05:52 PM
#101
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Thanks Starcheck, much appreciated.
I am one of many, possibly most, that have our applications out but I'm supporting our union until my phone rings. I have been here almost 7 years and thought this place was going to be my last. It used to be a great place to work. Unfortunately about four years ago, everything changed. The executives got short-sighted and greedy. They went out and hired a bunch of bright eyed young MBA's who knew nothing about running an airline. The execs gave them unlimited authority. Coincidently, at the same time, former Northwest airlines Middle management types were on the street and looking to spread their employee hostile philosophies around the industry.
Together, these two groups were given their marching orders: maximize profit at all cost. Our CEO's philosophy of "investment-grade" stock drove a specific profit target that used the 'expense' side of the equation as the controllable element. Knowing what the potential revenue would be, the target became the expense--regardless of the impact to the operation, its employees, or its customers. All department heads were given a budget which was 'top down' driven and forced to make do. The accountants were in charge and management soon became a distant entity. Communications have all but ceased and the management/employee relations have become hostile.
Since then, the operation has eroded to the point of utter chaos. Despair and frustration have driven constant turnover and, in the interest of keeping expenses down, many that left were not replaced, leaving fewer to do the work (except 'cost analysts', whose ranks have swelled). If there was an effort to replace lost managers, the reputation of this company and its meager salaries ensured we weren't able to attract experienced, trained (quality) people. The latest managers hired up from the ranks have been nothing short of a laughing stock. As would be expected, company profits (and our workload) soared, while our W-2s shrunk dramatically.
All this results in an operation that is resembling of an airline that just opened its doors. Its like building a new house by hiring inexperienced, untrained and unmotivated help off the street. Every day the learning curve is vertical, costly mistakes are repeated, and nothing works. If a fix is implemented, the cure is worse than the disease. The only real experience out there is the pilot and he has had every bit of authority taken away. If people try to speak up or help, they are ignored or labeled as trouble makers. Management knows best, do your job and shut up.
Many on this thread have logically questioned the veracity of these stories. After all, how can such a profitable airline be run this way? It can't, at least not for long, and our 'leaderships' experience at ValuJet should tell them that. Unfortunately, they still place the blame elsewhere and continue with the exact same practices that killed those people in the Everglades.
While currently blinded and arrogantly basking in the bullet-proof $120 stock they've removed "integrity" from our set of core values. Interestingly enough, at the same time they re-named us a "travel company" (to distance themselves from the operation), they also removed ownership of the aircraft and placed them under Sunset Asset Management LLC. 'Defray, Deny, and Distance' appears to be the only philosophy these two learned from ValuJet.
Sadly, even a new contract will still involve the same incompetent and greedy management team. Much like now, where they have ignored a federal court order of status quo, and the FAA. they will continue to ignore the contract. Until new management takes over the company, it will always be a disaster of an operation. Many have recognized that and are leaving. Management hopes to replace the never-ending vacancies with their new approach of attracting bushy tailed pilots seeking the allure of being virtual street captains. That plan, like others, will also fail when these guys detect the familiar taste of fools gold and follow the rest of us out the door.
Our CEO has often claimed a preference for building airlines to actually running them. Perhaps he should just get out of this business altogether. His philosophies are absolutely ruinous to this profession and industry. In order to keep pace in the ruinous race to the bottom , traditional strong career airlines are being forced to follow suit with massive outsourcing and 'unbundling', and severe budget cuts.
Standby, coming to a theater near you.
I am one of many, possibly most, that have our applications out but I'm supporting our union until my phone rings. I have been here almost 7 years and thought this place was going to be my last. It used to be a great place to work. Unfortunately about four years ago, everything changed. The executives got short-sighted and greedy. They went out and hired a bunch of bright eyed young MBA's who knew nothing about running an airline. The execs gave them unlimited authority. Coincidently, at the same time, former Northwest airlines Middle management types were on the street and looking to spread their employee hostile philosophies around the industry.
Together, these two groups were given their marching orders: maximize profit at all cost. Our CEO's philosophy of "investment-grade" stock drove a specific profit target that used the 'expense' side of the equation as the controllable element. Knowing what the potential revenue would be, the target became the expense--regardless of the impact to the operation, its employees, or its customers. All department heads were given a budget which was 'top down' driven and forced to make do. The accountants were in charge and management soon became a distant entity. Communications have all but ceased and the management/employee relations have become hostile.
Since then, the operation has eroded to the point of utter chaos. Despair and frustration have driven constant turnover and, in the interest of keeping expenses down, many that left were not replaced, leaving fewer to do the work (except 'cost analysts', whose ranks have swelled). If there was an effort to replace lost managers, the reputation of this company and its meager salaries ensured we weren't able to attract experienced, trained (quality) people. The latest managers hired up from the ranks have been nothing short of a laughing stock. As would be expected, company profits (and our workload) soared, while our W-2s shrunk dramatically.
All this results in an operation that is resembling of an airline that just opened its doors. Its like building a new house by hiring inexperienced, untrained and unmotivated help off the street. Every day the learning curve is vertical, costly mistakes are repeated, and nothing works. If a fix is implemented, the cure is worse than the disease. The only real experience out there is the pilot and he has had every bit of authority taken away. If people try to speak up or help, they are ignored or labeled as trouble makers. Management knows best, do your job and shut up.
Many on this thread have logically questioned the veracity of these stories. After all, how can such a profitable airline be run this way? It can't, at least not for long, and our 'leaderships' experience at ValuJet should tell them that. Unfortunately, they still place the blame elsewhere and continue with the exact same practices that killed those people in the Everglades.
While currently blinded and arrogantly basking in the bullet-proof $120 stock they've removed "integrity" from our set of core values. Interestingly enough, at the same time they re-named us a "travel company" (to distance themselves from the operation), they also removed ownership of the aircraft and placed them under Sunset Asset Management LLC. 'Defray, Deny, and Distance' appears to be the only philosophy these two learned from ValuJet.
Sadly, even a new contract will still involve the same incompetent and greedy management team. Much like now, where they have ignored a federal court order of status quo, and the FAA. they will continue to ignore the contract. Until new management takes over the company, it will always be a disaster of an operation. Many have recognized that and are leaving. Management hopes to replace the never-ending vacancies with their new approach of attracting bushy tailed pilots seeking the allure of being virtual street captains. That plan, like others, will also fail when these guys detect the familiar taste of fools gold and follow the rest of us out the door.
Our CEO has often claimed a preference for building airlines to actually running them. Perhaps he should just get out of this business altogether. His philosophies are absolutely ruinous to this profession and industry. In order to keep pace in the ruinous race to the bottom , traditional strong career airlines are being forced to follow suit with massive outsourcing and 'unbundling', and severe budget cuts.
Standby, coming to a theater near you.
Just to add to your remark of many questioning how such an oncoming trainwreck can be so profitable and command such a high stockprice.
In 1944 St. Matthew Island in Alaska had 29 reindeer barged in as an emergency food supply for Coast Guard personnel. The island was abandoned by humans and in 1963 a visit counted over 6000 reindeer. In the summer of 1966 another visit counted 42 reindeer. They were soon gone completely.
While an example from the natural world and the idea of limits, overshoot applys to businesses as well. To an observer who lacks the willingness to probe critically, things usually look best just before collapse. (Braniff II anyone?)
I have friends and ex co-workers there and wish all that this will turn out well, but it sounds as though it is approaching the unsustainable.
Good luck to all.
07-15-2014 | 05:01 PM
#102
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Joined: May 2014
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From: Plane Owner
I was one of the many who have turned down the interview at Allegiant. Soon as they told me they do not provide transportation to and from interview and no hotel during training i gave them the thumbs down. This was a while ago and literally drove down the street to my local Home Depot and got a temporary job there instead of dealing with Allegiant ( was between flying jobs at the time). Allegiant might be a good job for a younger single individual with no family.
Did they make u pay for your carry on going to training?
Seriously - just started reading the thread, prior had much interest in the airline, but now?
If they are that cost driven how much is the training bond if they type you?
07-15-2014 | 05:10 PM
#103
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Joined: Mar 2005
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From: Off to the left!
Training is supposed to last 2 months. It's been taking closer to 6. They send you home after groundschool.
They don't provide transportation to training, unless you live in a city Allegiant serves.
There is no training contract.
They don't provide transportation to training, unless you live in a city Allegiant serves.
There is no training contract.
07-15-2014 | 05:54 PM
#104
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From: Plane Owner
I don't have the quals to work there yet so the thread just caught my eye... And it opened it.
wow and thanks.
07-15-2014 | 06:08 PM
#106
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The 'Top 10' at ValuJet went to AirTran. It's the guys who sucked at ValuJet who were dismissed during the merger with AirTran that started Allegiant.
It's also telling that of those 'Top 10' only 1 made it from AirTran to Southwest.
It's also telling that of those 'Top 10' only 1 made it from AirTran to Southwest.
07-15-2014 | 08:15 PM
#107
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From: gear polisher
07-15-2014 | 08:37 PM
#108
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07-15-2014 | 08:42 PM
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He was referring to NWA management, not NWA pilots. When asking current DL pilots (who were former NWA) about these guys, the answers ranged from "they should have kept their positions at Delta" to "good luck with HIM, you'll need it".
07-15-2014 | 08:49 PM
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From: gear polisher
Yep, NOT referring to pilots, just management
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